Why the media doesn't believe in Gibbs
 

Has anyone else here noticed the obvious disconnect between what Gibbs thinks it takes for a team to win and what the "experts" think it takes for a team to win.

Gibbs always sites:[list][*]Character [*]Mental Toughness [*]Team attitude [*]Smarts [*]Fight [*]Faith [/list]Experts always site:[list][*]Matchups [*]Records [*]Statistics [*]Specific Players [/list]In other words, experts look strictly at the tangables, Gibbs looks for the things that can't be readily measured. That is why I don't think some people will ever get why Gibbs is so successful, that is until they notice he is winning.

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I completely agree. What really makes me mad is that they seem to have forgotten his great reads during a game and his famous adjustments. It's more than just looking at those gameday pictures on the sidelines and saying wow that was so wide open on that last play. It's knowing what will be open five plays down the line. He is begining to layer his offense and that sets teams up for something unexpected. Last year he just didn't have them guessing, but this year I see a big change.

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Well I went to bed watching Coach Gibbs on NFL Network and awaken to see the segment about the future of Lavar. It is clear to me, that the so-called critiques are cautiously discussing the 3-0 winning streak while adding the negative propaganda to create a division within the Redskin camp. This like all of the other silly schemes will not hide the fact that the Redskins played one of the most disciplined games in team history. 2 penalties for 10yds. is a testament to the prepardness of Coach Gibbs and his staff.

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Gibbs is old school. In the old school things like character and toughness were deal makers. Because there was no free agency each team was much more coordinated and on the same page. Even the bad teams played together and knwe what they were suppose to do. They ahd all played together for longer and could be more cohesive. This made intangibles like toughness the characteristics that made the difference between winning and losing. Today in the new school free agency vastly reduces this amount of preparedness and chemistry. This has the result of making pure talent somewhat more important since a lack of it can't be hidden in preparedness. I think the characteristics that Gibbs desires are still important to winning but talent plays a bigger role now than it use to and I think Gibbs has faced that fact. This team has been by all accounts overrated talent-wise for some time. It is only now that Gibbs and Williams have worked together to increase the talent base while simultaneously ridding themselves of those who didn't have the toughnes and positive energy to help produce a winner. It shows in close wins. At least that's what I think.

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It's mostly about heart and smarts

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]Gibbs is old school. In the old school things like character and toughness were deal makers. Because there was no free agency each team was much more coordinated and on the same page. Even the bad teams played together and knwe what they were suppose to do. They ahd all played together for longer and could be more cohesive. This made intangibles like toughness the characteristics that made the difference between winning and losing. Today in the new school free agency vastly reduces this amount of preparedness and chemistry. This has the result of making pure talent somewhat more important since a lack of it can't be hidden in preparedness. I think the characteristics that Gibbs desires are still important to winning but talent plays a bigger role now than it use to and I think Gibbs has faced that fact. This team has been by all accounts overrated talent-wise for some time. It is only now that Gibbs and Williams have worked together to increase the talent base while simultaneously ridding themselves of those who didn't have the toughnes and positive energy to help produce a winner. It shows in close wins. At least that's what I think.[/QUOTE]

I have kind of seen things the opposite. I think with players changing over so fast it is now a coaches league - before you could stock pile players who were great. Now you have to coach w/ what you have- which is why I think Gibbs old school character, discipline and hard work will be hard to beat. But what I think makes him special is how he gets folks to [U]believe[/U].

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Free agency is actually something that I believe works in Gibbs' favor. I think by Gibbs just being purely "Old School" is a negative thing in the eyes of the media. The media wants to push whatever is new and fresh....the very presence of Gibbs in the NFL pisses the media off...and I think that is just awesome! No matter how much stock one puts in stats, individual players, contacts.....it always comes back to the basic things..play smart, put for 110% effort, fight for every yard gained. Those are the things old school coaches like Joe Gibbs or Mike Dikta like to focus on.

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guys, if the teams we faced had made all their field goals, we would be 0-3. thats why we shouldnt be making plans for detroit.

I liked what i saw out of the offence last game. but they need to be more physical on offence to play "Gibbs Football". we arent pounding the ball. the line (which has played great) still doesnt dominate on run plays.

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[QUOTE=GoSkins!]Has anyone else here noticed the obvious disconnect between what Gibbs thinks it takes for a team to win and what the "experts" think it takes for a team to win.

Gibbs always sites:[list][*]Character [*]Mental Toughness [*]Team attitude [*]Smarts [*]Fight [*]Faith [/list]Experts always site:[list][*]Matchups [*]Records [*]Statistics [*]Specific Players [/list]In other words, experts look strictly at the tangables, Gibbs looks for the things that can't be readily measured. That is why I don't think some people will ever get why Gibbs is so successful, that is until they notice he is winning.[/QUOTE]
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Don't think the media will love Joe Gibbs if he is successful this season. It'll just be a totally different kinda spin. Something like,"Gibbs personel genius finds ways to win, no matter what situation." Hopefully it'll come to that. I wonder if Matty could dig up my post wishing for the return of Gibbs, way way way back. I've seen his magic before and trust him with all my Redskins soul. If I grew up near the some uninspired team in the early 80's to early 90's I might not even be a football fan. My total passion for watching all sports has waned in my years, but my love for the Redskins has not. I blame and thank Joe Gibbs.

IN GIBBS WE TRUST.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]Gibbs is old school. In the old school things like character and toughness were deal makers. Because there was no free agency each team was much more coordinated and on the same page. Even the bad teams played together and knwe what they were suppose to do. They ahd all played together for longer and could be more cohesive. This made intangibles like toughness the characteristics that made the difference between winning and losing. Today in the new school free agency vastly reduces this amount of preparedness and chemistry. This has the result of making pure talent somewhat more important since a lack of it can't be hidden in preparedness. I think the characteristics that Gibbs desires are still important to winning but talent plays a bigger role now than it use to and I think Gibbs has faced that fact. This team has been by all accounts overrated talent-wise for some time. It is only now that Gibbs and Williams have worked together to increase the talent base while simultaneously ridding themselves of those who didn't have the toughnes and positive energy to help produce a winner. It shows in close wins. At least that's what I think.[/QUOTE]

Good post F,
The media and many coach's/owners cannot understand why year after year, they suck! Forever, they Suck! Naturally, there are many reasons why this is so. The Skins are a good example of that. Radical changes every year. No core group of REDSKINS, no loyalty, no cohesion, no success. Dan was doing what he thought was right as he is a new school guy as well. He forgot what Gibbs says is the most important component-character! Joe is building an anomaly, a TEAM that will (pretty much) stick together year after year. Not without impact from free agency, but a TEAM of guys who would rather stay together-if possible. A team where the departure of a player or two is not a catastrophie. Where a player cannot hold the team for ransom because of his talent level to the team. Check out GW and his D. We all went hysterical with the departure of Champ, Fred, Pierce, etc. Greg said , NO PROBLEM. A team of men of character who would rather win another Super bowl than move on. IMO, that is much of the success in New England. These concepts are foreign in atheletes today, but Joe is making it work. It is just the beginning, and one cannot argue with the results that have already been seen. It's great! Joe knows!

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Gibbs has not showed the other Coaches his secret weapon.

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HAhahahahahahahah! Nice SBF.

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[QUOTE=jamf]guys, if the teams we faced had made all their field goals, we would be 0-3. thats why we shouldnt be making plans for detroit.

I liked what i saw out of the offence last game. but they need to be more physical on offence to play "Gibbs Football". we arent pounding the ball. the line (which has played great) still doesnt dominate on run plays.[/QUOTE]

This seems like backwards thinking to me. If we are going to analyze every missed field goal by our opponents, then let's also analyze every field goal we've missed as well as the should be touchdowns we've had called back (i.e. Cooley vs. Chicago, Moss vs. Seattle.) The offense in my opinion is improving exponentially every game if you look at the end of last season/preseason/even vs. chicago. I'm by no means banking on Detroit, but I am feeling good about my team for the first time in a long time.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]HAhahahahahahahah! Nice SBF.[/QUOTE]

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