Pick news on drafting Winslow
TE Winslow may be pick of Redskins
By JOHN McCLAIN
Copyright 2004 Houston Chronicle
With the exception of San Diego, which has the top pick, no team has been involved in more pre-draft speculation than Washington.
There have been reports the Redskins are willing to send the fifth overall pick and left tackle Chris Samuels to Oakland so they can select Iowa offensive tackle Robert Gallery on Saturday.
The Raiders have the second pick behind the Chargers. New Oakland coach Norv Turner was the Redskins' coach in 2000 when they drafted Samuels in the first round. But Redskins sources say to not expect Samuels to be headed to San Diego. More than likely, they'll stay in the fifth spot.
Two of those same sources say there's a division in the organization on Miami tight end Kellen Winslow and his Hurricanes teammate, free safety Sean Taylor.
Both are outstanding prospects. But if you're a Redskins fan keep this in mind: coach Joe Gibbs will make the call.
In 1979, two seasons before Gibbs went to Washington, he was San Diego's offensive coordinator. Gibbs watched coach Don Coryell trade up to get the 13th pick in the first round and use it on Missouri tight end Kellen Winslow, father of the Miami star.
In 1980, Winslow caught 89 passes and helped the Chargers reach the AFC Championship Game. After the Chargers lost to Oakland, Gibbs was hired by the Redskins.
Remember that Gibbs is an offensive-oriented coach who likes to incorporate an H-back in his offense. The younger Winslow, who's 6-3 7/8 and 251 pounds and runs in the 4.5s, is a great receiver who is more suited for H-back than a true tight end who spends a lot of time blocking.
Winslow is cocky, but Gibbs has never shied from players because of their personalities.
The Redskins could use Taylor, of course, but they're thin at tight end and H-back, so Winslow seems to be their man.
AROUND THE LEAGUE
Payton's family pulls for Jarrett
-- Jackson State golf coach Eddie Payton, brother of late Bears running back Walter Payton, would love to see his nephew drafted by Chicago. Miami running back Jarrett Payton is expected to be a second-day pick.
"He'd love to play in Chicago, for obvious reasons," said Payton, who was in Houston last week leading Jackson State to its 17th consecutive SWAC golf championship. "He also wants to be closer to his mom (who resides in Chicago).
"We feel he'll be drafted from the late third to early fifth round. I think teams will be interested in Jarrett because of his ability, but his bloodline doesn't hurt, either. He's got tremendous upside. He's big and mobile, and he can block, catch and even throw. He'll do well with a team that has an established running back in his prime and can afford to let him develop."
Hard to believe
-- Research last week on defensive backs produced some interesting facts.
For example, in 37 years the Saints have drafted only one defensive back in the first round -- cornerback Alex Molden in 1996, who was selected ahead of running back Eddie George.
In its 28 years, Tampa Bay has drafted only one defensive back in the first round -- cornerback Rod Jones in 1986. Since they took cornerback Leonard Coleman in 1984, the Colts haven't used a No. 1 pick on a defensive back. The Vikings have done it once since 1984 -- cornerback Dewayne Washington in 1994.
The only defensive back the Jets took in the first round between 1985-2003? Cornerback Aaron Glenn in 1994.
From 1960-84, the Oilers never used a No. 1 pick on a defensive back. They drafted cornerback Richard Johnson in 1985. The only other time the franchise has used a first-round pick on a member of the secondary was when the Titans took cornerback Andre Woolfolk last year.
By comparison, the Raiders have used No. 1 picks on defensive backs in each of the last three drafts.
McNair's son has a hit
-- Texans owner Bob McNair has a busy schedule coming up. He'll be in town for the draft before heading to the Kentucky Derby. On May 4, McNair and his wife, Janice, will be in New York at the Tribeca Film Festival hosted by actor Robert De Niro.
McNair's oldest son, Cary, is the producer of the independent film, Killer Diller, that was such a hit at the Austin Film Festival. The film stars William Lee Scott as a guitar-playing car thief. When he gets out of prison, he reports to a halfway house run by Fred Willard, who recruits felons who can play instruments. Willard puts together the Killer Diller Blues Band.
Lucas Black (Sling Blade, Cold Mountain) is another member of the band.
Asked if he has plans to invest in the movie business, Bob McNair laughed and said: "Not hardly. My plate's full with football players and horses, but we're getting a kick out of Cary's involvement. We saw Killer Diller in Austin and Los Angeles, and it's been a big hit so far."
What's in a nickname?
-- At the combine, Kentucky quarterback Jared Lorenzen had the strongest arm, but he's infamous for a serious weight problem.
He got down from the 320 range to 288 by the combine. He's 6-3 3/8. He's not slow or immobile, but scouts just can't fathom a quarterback weighing as much as he does. If he weighed 240 or 250, he'd be a No. 1 pick.
By the way, just imagine how much grief he'll take in the NFL with nicknames like the "Pillsbury Throwboy" and the "Hefty Lefty."
-- Hawaii defensive tackle Isaac Sopoaga (6-3, 314), got a lot of attention at the combine for wearing a straw hat everywhere, including the bench press in which he lifted 225 pounds 42 times, one more than Oregon's Igor Olshansky (6-5, 315).
At Hawaii's pro day, Sopoaga lifted 40 times, even though it wasn't necessary to do it again because enough scouts had already been impressed. Olshansky got revenge at Oregon's pro day, lifting 43 times. But then a defensive tackle from Colorado State, Bryan Save (6-1, 313) did it 44 times.
By comparison, LSU's Chad Lavalais (6-2, 313) could bench only 17 times at the combine. A nose tackle has to be quick and strong, and Lavalais' stock is dropping.
-- Cleveland coach Butch Davis finally took some blame last week for the Ron Wolf fiasco. Wolf was hired as a consultant by former president Carmen Policy, and Davis never liked that decision.
Once Policy resigned, Wolf soon followed after only 18 months on the job -- 18 months in which he admitted he had "absolutely no input" in any decision made by the team.
Wolf told the Browns they didn't have a problem at quarterback with Tim Couch and Kelly Holcomb, so Davis signed Jeff Garcia. Later, Davis made some comments that offended Wolf.
Asked about Wolf saying the Browns didn't need another quarterback, Davis said, "He had an opinion, but I don't think his opinion had any bearing whatsoever on what transpired. He gave an opinion about our quarterbacks the same way he had an opinion about our left guards.
"Since we signed all these guys (free agents), he's been on vacation."
Reminded that getting $750,000 for 18 months worth of consulting was good work if you can get it, Davis said, "He's my hero."
After he resigned, Wolf was contacted by the Plain Dealer.
"I don't really care what that person thinks of me," Wolf told the newspaper. "I really don't regret it. No one put a gun to my head and made me sign on to come there. I did it of my own free will. It's just one of those things where, I think, if I ever decide to do it again, it would be a situation where I would go in knowing people rather than not knowing people."
-- Last week, Texas Tech quarterback B.J. Symons had a workout at the Texas' facility for scouts. Even though he underwent major reconstructive surgery only 2 1/2 months ago, Symons threw extremely well at perhaps 70 percent of his normal ability. ... Texas A&M receiver Jamaar Taylor ran a 4.49 in the 40-yard dash for scouts five months after undergoing reconstructive surgery on his knee. ... Miami outside linebacker Jarrell Weaver, who isn't highly regarded, caused jaws to drop at the Hurricanes' pro day by running a 4.37. ...
A lot of teams are wary of USC receiver Mike Williams. At 6-4 5/8 and 237 pounds he runs in the 4.6s at best. Some scouts think he should add weight and become an H-back. ... The Jaguars are desperate at defensive end and might have targeted USC's Kenechi Udeze or Ohio State's Will Smith over a receiver, but that would make this year the third in a row with a defensive lineman in the first round. ... The Bengals are so desperate at cornerback they've tabbed recently acquired Delta O'Neal, who bombed out at Denver, to start opposite Tory James. Dennis Weathersby, a rookie last year who was the victim of a gunshot wound before the draft, was injured last week in an automobile accident.
Prospects whose stock is on the rise are Oregon State running back Steven Jackson, Wisconsin receiver Lee Evans, Oregon defensive tackle Igor Olshansky and Arkansas offensive tackle Shawn Andrews and his brother, Mississippi offensive tackle Stacy Andrews.
Jackson, the highest-rated back in the draft, weighed 241 at the combine. And he was in fantastic shape at the time.
By the time the Beavers had their pro day, he was smart enough to be 10 pounds lighter, which helped him run the 40 in 4.55 and 4.56. He says he wants to play at 235.
The draft begins Saturday in New York.
Theres a little story in there to about Jarrot Payton, im sure most of you dont care but I had just mentioned him in another thread before reading this article.
Kellen Winslow is an animal. Hes one of hte best players in this draft. I really want Sean Taylor, just cause I think we need a litlte somthing extra on defense. However, if we end up with KW II , I'll be very happy.
I like winslow as much as the next guy but I still feel like we need more on defense.
Winslow is great, my biggest problem with him is the agent he chose. The Postons! Come on!
ALso, I read in one of the thousands of articles posted here that Sean Taylor listed the skins as a team he'd love to play for. That alone should give him an edge!
Of course hes going to say that, he wants to get drafted as early as he can. Im sure Taylor would fit in well here, they both would. Damn those Postons though...id hate to get Taylor then have him hold out. I have to imagine they discussed that when they met though.
If I were the skins I'd try to pre-work contracts with the top 2-3 people on my list before we even draft them. Tell them first one to file it gets the job for sure. Just use that as incentive to get the deal done, then take the one you want.
I dont think they are allowed to do that. I thikn only the Chargers are allowed to discuss contracts.
Someone want to look up what Terrance Newman got last year. Wasnt he the fifth player selected in last years draft?
All I could find was years with a 13 million dollar signing bonus... That seems really steep to me. I thought when I looked up Charles Rogers, the second pick, signing bonus it was only 7 or 9 million. Anyone know a site that lists all the salaries of last years draft choices.
When it's your time to pick you can, that's how jimmy johnson did it, he would have a specific contract of what he thought that particular slot should be paid, and he would send it out with his rep's and have them standing by potential draft pick's, they would offer it to thier first choice, if he turned it down then the next, and so on, the reasoning behind it is even if the player you want is more talented than the one you may get it put's pressure on a guy to sign because he may wynd up dropping much further in the draft, perhap's making less money than the player drafted in his spot, even if he's more talented, hypothetically we may wan't Winslow, so we offer him the contract first, now he has to consider whether or not the lion's will draft him? or will he fall a couple spot's and maybe get a less lucrative contract? As well he may not really want to play for a particular team even if he can get top dollar, as well he know's how interested we are in taylor and we would draft him in a heartbeat so it leaves little room for games on Winslow's part, now if he was far and away the best talent he could swing a bigger hammer, but there is to much talent in the top 10 to hold team's up with overbearing contract's, so we have some leverage this year before we pick, the player has more leverage after we pick, so if we can get him signed before we pick we should seriously press hard to do so.
Yea once its our pick we can hand then an offer sheet, and if we want Winslow I think that we should. If he doesnt want to offer sheet and if we dont pick him his just giong to be kicking his butt later when he has to play for less money, that or he holds out for another team.
[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]All I could find was years with a 13 million dollar signing bonus... That seems really steep to me. I thought when I looked up Charles Rogers, the second pick, signing bonus it was only 7 or 9 million. Anyone know a site that lists all the salaries of last years draft choices.[/QUOTE]
the jet's gave Dwayne Robertson 13 million signing bonus for the #4 pick in the draft, so you have to figure the #5 this year will be close to that.
draft choices have been paid so much in recent years... 13 million to a player that hasnt taken a snap... It weird how the league has changed to being primarily bonuses. Portis didnt get that much bigger of a signing bonus, but hes going to make a lot more per year than any rookie would.
by the way, I wonder if Dwayne Rovertson will turn out to be any good. He was on my bust list at the end of last year. But it was only one year, we'll see how he does this year. Personally I want him to be a bust because it just further makes the Coles deal look a lot better for us. Even the two players that Arizona picked with out pick and the Jets pick havent done well. Arizona drafted Johnson in the first round and Boldin ended up being the star.
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