- - Interesting Fact
|SKINSnCANES ||04-18-2004 03:30 PM |
Did you guys know that under Gibbs the Redskins only ever drafted in the first round four times, and traded the pick away for vets the rest of the time?
Drafted Mark May, Darrell Green, Bobby Wilson and Desmond Howard. Only the first to did much for the Skins.
I wonder if Snyder remembers that from when he was younger watching the Skins and has alraeyd been implementing Gibbs old style.
|Daseal ||04-18-2004 05:11 PM |
Good point, Skins. I think Snyder's trading away picks for proven players is actually a good system. I didn't like the Brunell or Portis picks given, but we got two players that we know can play, that's more than you can tell coming out of the draft.
|redwagonskins ||04-18-2004 05:22 PM |
Great point. We make so much of first round picks but if you look at the last several years of first rounders and see how many end up busts, it's nice to get a sure thing in a proven vet.
|SKINSnCANES ||04-18-2004 05:29 PM |
I dont agree so much with giving up first rounders as I do the late rounders. There are plenty of players that are great that came out of later rounds, we just dont take the risk on them. Portis was a second round pick, and the list goes on of great players everyyear that come out of later round. The rookie of the year last year for the last two years have been from the second round. Its all about what system you go in to, what needs the team has, if you get to start as a rookie and who you have around you. Coles was a good pick up for us, we needed a receiver like that, im glad we didnt give our first rounder away this year though.
|SKINSnCANES ||04-18-2004 05:30 PM |
The other problem is somewhere on your roster you need cheap players. Trading a 5th round pick for a player is not going to be anywhere near the salary of a player picked in the fifth round. As all of you know we just have to be better with our money.
|Daseal ||04-18-2004 05:48 PM |
Well, we've been in salary cap hill "next year" for the last what, 5 years? I think Snyder does a better job with the cap than we all know. He tosses around money, but finds ways to make it work with the cap!
|SKINSnCANES ||04-18-2004 05:58 PM |
It always works for the first few years. but yes, we never were in cap hell after all the people we signed in 2000, or 2001, or 2002... I wonder if The Redskins Organization is going to be the next Enron.
|offiss ||04-18-2004 06:28 PM |
Marty had a lot to do with getting us out of a bad cap situation when he was here, he really doesn't get much credit for that.
|SKINSnCANES ||04-18-2004 07:09 PM |
He also cut a bunch of players that no one wanted him to. They wernt necessarily bad cuts, but when say Tre Johnson and Stephen Alexander were cut it made a lot of peopel sad becuase they were well liked.
|skinsfanthru&thru ||04-19-2004 04:15 AM |
the cut marty made that I think I hated the most was the one of larry centers. wasn't brian mitchell one of his cuts 2 or was that the year before cuz that one sucked 2?
|SKINSnCANES ||04-19-2004 04:24 AM |
could have been under Marty, he cut a lot of players that most of us loved. Its not that they were bad cuts, the players were either old or injured in almost all of the cases. But they cut a lot of what Gibbs would call 'core redskins'
|skinsfanthru&thru ||04-19-2004 04:43 AM |
but wasn't the excuse for cutting centers something stupid like his workout routine or something like that. none of that pissed me off as much as marty trying to teach Mr. Green how to play cornerback. the only action I ever liked marty for doing was when he claimed deion off of waivers so the raiders couldnt get him for the playoffs. i thought that was funny as hell him getting picked up by the coach who made him want to retire.
|Defensewins ||04-19-2004 11:40 AM |
[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]Did you guys know that under Gibbs the Redskins only ever drafted in the first round four times, and traded the pick away for vets the rest of the time?
Drafted Mark May, Darrell Green, Bobby Wilson and Desmond Howard. Only the first to did much for the Skins.[/QUOTE]
Bobby Beathard and Charlie Casserly made their great reputations by getting GREAT players at the bottom of the draft and undrafted rookies. We got great cheap players to compliment the stars. Joe Jacoby, Darryl Grant, Monte Coleman, Neil Olkewiezc ETC.
Today we have a salary cap and a bloated budget. We have to depend on the charity of our players to renegotiate and extend their contracts to survive. Then we get a player like Samuels who does not want to do this. Our draft picks are very important, especially our our success at finding good talent with our lower picks. Problem is Cerrato/Snyder are not very good.
|SKINSnCANES ||04-19-2004 01:37 PM |
You would think that we would have been good when Spurrier was here. When Jimmy Johnson became a coach he had some of the best drafts in history because he was a college coach and knew a lot of the college coachs and could get inside tips on who looked good. Im surprised Spurrier did not speak out more about players that he saw that were good. Granted, he really didnt have to many late round picks, but I still think he could have been more of a contributer.
|Riggo44 ||04-19-2004 01:42 PM |
[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]It always works for the first few years. but yes, we never were in cap hell after all the people we signed in 2000, or 2001, or 2002... I wonder if The Redskins Organization is going to be the next Enron.[/QUOTE]
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