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raleighskinsfan 04-22-2004 02:15 PM

Gallery W/O trading Samuels- Rebirth of the HOGS!
 
In this article, Mark Maske talks about the Redskins possibly moving up to take Gallery, keeping Samuels and moving him to guard "to bring back the Hogs".

[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A31313-2004Apr21.html[/url]

How awesome would THAT be? He mentions Gardner and Ramsey as possible trade bait to pull it off. I'm totally against trading Ramsey- but what do you think it would take, along with Gardner, to get their number #1 pick? Would our #5, Gardner (who should have at least 2nd or 3rd round value, since he was a 1st rounder) and our 5th rounder be enough for San Diego, who also need receivers? Is that too much? I would love to see us put together some sort of package to move up to #1 and also keep our #5, but I don't see that happening without us including Ramsey...

Perhaps Joe Crisp could weigh in with his trade calculator!

Defensewins 04-22-2004 03:48 PM

I don't like the idea of losing the #5 pick as well as the players.
Also, I am not sold on Samuels being a guard. Guards have to be bulldozers. Samuels is known more for his quickness and pass protection, not his run blocking. His run blocking is not his strength. He is not the killer run blocker you would want at left guard.
He certainly has the quickness to pull as a guard... I am just not sure he is the tough, out to pancake you type a good guard needs to be.
I think Gallery has shown he is. Maybe Gallery should be the guard and Samules the tackle.

Gmanc711 04-22-2004 04:00 PM

I really dislike this. Our offensive line is completley fine, we dont need Samuels to F-Up changing his postion, and then have a rookie tackle to go with it. Take our #5 and pick Winslow or Taylor.

hi-jinx 04-22-2004 04:39 PM

Thats not going to happen. The money Gallery will want on top of what Sameuls gets, 20%- 25% of our total cap money will be on the O-line. I cant see that as being a good idea. Then again it not being a good idea doesn't really mean the Skins front office wont do it.

saden1 04-22-2004 04:56 PM

I'll pretend to be SD...Here is what I would say to the skins.

For #1 overall Gardner and #5 spot is a weak offering. If you throw in a second rounder from next years draft then we have a deal.



I personally don't think we have the money to sign two high profiled picks. It would make cap matters worse couple of years down the road similar to the impact of Arrington and Samuels.

Mattyk 04-22-2004 05:15 PM

SD is looking for [i]alot[/i] for the #1 pick, more than we can offer so let's not even worry about moving up to that slot.

hi-jinx 04-22-2004 05:53 PM

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]SD is looking for [i]alot[/i] for the #1 pick, more than we can offer so let's not even worry about moving up to that slot.[/QUOTE]


The chargers HAVE to trade down or draft someone else other than Eli. If they draft Eli and he holds out it would not be good for the SD front office. can you imagine wasting the #1 pick of a NFL draft? With the past draft mistakes the Bolt's fans may start a riot.

raleighskinsfan 04-22-2004 06:02 PM

I guess I should just cross my fingers and pray for Sean Taylor (or Vince Wolfork??), but just wanted to see what everyone's opinion was on this...I'm about to go crazy waiting for the draft! I wish it would happen already!

itvnetop 04-22-2004 06:04 PM

i don't think we have any ammo from which to trade up... i think it's a blessing too cuz snyder would probably do it if we could

JoeRedskin 04-22-2004 06:14 PM

All I can say is YUCK!! For all of the reasons already cited, the cost of the trade, the cap managment issues and moving Samuels from his natural position, this is just a lousy concept.

The line is fine. Yes, Gallery looks like a sure thing, can't miss, superstar maybe HOF. But dammit, can we please address some real areas of need? Jeezzz.

Even though I prefer Taylor, KWII at 5 would be better than this scenario.

Riggo44 04-22-2004 06:33 PM

There is no way this will happen. Are OL is not what we need to fix. I think we will stay pat and pick Taylor. At least I hope.

Gmanc711 04-22-2004 06:47 PM

Just hit me with Taylor, Winslow or a trade down w/ some d-linemen. I really dont care, as long as they show they are adressing a need we have.

skinsfanthru&thru 04-22-2004 07:05 PM

[QUOTE=hi-jinx]The chargers HAVE to trade down or draft someone else other than Eli. If they draft Eli and he holds out it would not be good for the SD front office. can you imagine wasting the #1 pick of a NFL draft? With the past draft mistakes the Bolt's fans may start a riot.[/QUOTE]

chris mortenson said not to be suprised if the chargers stay put and select philip rivers.

hi-jinx 04-22-2004 07:25 PM

Yeah I guess that could happen if they hold out to the last minute trying to work with Eli and then not get a trade in place in time. (I doubt anyone in the Bolt's front office get too much sleep for the next few days)

But it would be a huge failing for them not to trade down to get a guy they could get with a lower pick. Remember too a QB drafted 1st gets a lot more green than a guy drafted 11th, even if its the guy the team really wanted anyway.

But I really think that Mort is getting hos leg pulled when he believes the Chargers when they say they will draft Eli any way even if he may sit the year.


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