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mooby 12-15-2005 06:42 PM

CBS - Sportsline Pro Bowl picks
 
[url="http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9096739"]http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9096739[/url]

they have several redskins on there, including mark brunell, santana moss, and jon jansen. They mention Chris Cooley as a runner up at the tight end position, as well as Clinton Portis at the running back position.

BigSKINBauer 12-15-2005 06:43 PM

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yeah i saw that and that and it made me mad as we don't have COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLEY in there and no defense players. Cooley is listed as FB in the voting so atleast they could stay consistant


Also whats this about Janson getting in, i like that but no RANDY!!!

WHAT ABOUT MY BOY WASHINGTON??

onlydarksets 12-15-2005 08:17 PM

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Brunell as a reserve? That's a bit surprising. Although, it isn't exactly a ringing endorsement:
[quote]This is really a down year for NFC quarterbacks, so Hasselbeck takes the start almost by default. The reserves? Somebody has to go.[/quote]

And how does Dunn get the nod over CP? Fine - 80 more yards, but only 3 TDs. Plus, Dunn isn't nearly as good without the ball as CP is (IMO).

wolfeskins 12-15-2005 08:41 PM

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those nfc picks suck. they have too many seattle players and whats the freakin deal with there not being any redskins for defense, they didn't even list any as backups. and dunn edging out portis, no no no :spank:

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 12-15-2005 09:08 PM

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I really, really, really like Portis. However, I think it's pretty hard to deny Dunn a spot in the Pro Bowl. While Dunn doesn't score a lot of touchdowns and he gets nice lanes because defenses are scared of letting Vick run outside of the tackles, he is one damn explosive player. Moreover, Dunn plays like he's a lot bigger than he really is; he's about the same size as Santana Moss but he doesn't shy away from defenders.

SmootSmack 12-15-2005 09:24 PM

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I really, really, really like Portis. However, I think it's pretty hard to deny Dunn a spot in the Pro Bowl. While Dunn doesn't score a lot of touchdowns and he gets nice lanes because defenses are scared of letting Vick run outside of the tackles, he is one damn explosive player. Moreover, Dunn plays like he's a lot bigger than he really is; he's about the same size as Santana Moss but he doesn't shy away from defenders.[/QUOTE]

I imagine a lot of his TD opportunities are negated by the fact that Duckett gets the ball more in the red zone. Often times we talk about someone being such a great player that we tend to minimize what they do off the field (charity work, etc.), with Dunn it seems like it's more about what a great person he is and what he's had to overcome that his abilities on the field tend to get overlooked.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 12-15-2005 09:26 PM

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Here's who I should go to the Pro Bowl to represent the NFC:


QB Hasselbeck, Manning, Brunell
FB Cooley
RB Alexander, Barber, Portis/Dunn
WR Smith, Boldin, Moss, Galloway
TE Crumpler, Shockey
OT Jones, Pace, Samuels
OG Hutchinson, Thomas, Allen
C Kreutz, Bentley

DT Coleman, Griffin, Rogers
DE Strahan, Umenyiora, Peppers
OLB Washington, Dansby
ILB Urlacher, Pierce
CB Barber, Hall, Springs
FS Dawkins
SS Wilson

TheMalcolmConnection 12-15-2005 09:27 PM

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Is Adrian Wilson REALLY that good?

That Guy 12-15-2005 10:07 PM

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i'd take portis over dunn, thomas over somebody and m washington at OLB... its not a very good list...

That Guy 12-15-2005 10:09 PM

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I really, really, really like Portis. However, I think it's pretty hard to deny Dunn a spot in the Pro Bowl. While Dunn doesn't score a lot of touchdowns and he gets nice lanes because defenses are scared of letting Vick run outside of the tackles, he is one damn explosive player. Moreover, Dunn plays like he's a lot bigger than he really is; he's about the same size as Santana Moss but he doesn't shy away from defenders.[/QUOTE]

does portis shy away from defenders? does portis get running lanes because people fear brunell taking off? your points seem to point out why dunn shouldn't get the nod instead...

That Guy 12-15-2005 10:14 PM

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Here's who I should go to the Pro Bowl to represent the NFC:


QB Hasselbeck, Manning, Brunell
FB Cooley
RB Alexander, Barber, Portis/Dunn
WR Smith, Boldin, Moss, Galloway
TE Crumpler, Shockey
OT Jones, Pace, Samuels
OG Hutchinson, Thomas, Allen
C Kreutz, Bentley

DT Coleman, Griffin, Rogers
DE Strahan, Umenyiora, Peppers
OLB Washington, Dansby
ILB Urlacher, Pierce
CB Barber, Hall, Springs
FS Dawkins
SS Wilson[/QUOTE]

cooley really isn't a FB, so while he'll probably get in as one, mack strong is the best real nfc FB. griffin missed a lot of time, so his numbers aren't great, and while he has the talent and should have gone last year, this year his production (due to missed games) has come up short... I think the same thing happened to peppers this year too. The pro bowl is about this years production, not natural althletic talent.

Springs has been good, but unfortunately not very flashy (low int count, not 108yard FG returns for TDs etc), and i don't think brunell should go, just cause he's slumped off so horribly after such a good start.

onlydarksets 12-15-2005 10:17 PM

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I really, really, really like Portis. However, I think it's pretty hard to deny Dunn a spot in the Pro Bowl. While Dunn doesn't score a lot of touchdowns and he gets nice lanes because defenses are scared of letting Vick run outside of the tackles, he is one damn explosive player. Moreover, Dunn plays like he's a lot bigger than he really is; he's about the same size as Santana Moss but he doesn't shy away from defenders.[/QUOTE]

So, Dunn gets nice lanes and doesn't score lots of TDs. Sounds like an argument for CP!

Fact is, Duckett gets the TDs [B]because[/B] Dunn is undersized. Don't get me wrong - I like Dunn. He is explosive, but he just doesn't do as much at the position (again, especially on pass plays) as CP does.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 12-15-2005 11:03 PM

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets]So, Dunn gets nice lanes and doesn't score lots of TDs. Sounds like an argument for CP!

Fact is, Duckett gets the TDs [B]because[/B] Dunn is undersized. Don't get me wrong - I like Dunn. He is explosive, but he just doesn't do as much at the position (again, especially on pass plays) as CP does.[/QUOTE]

I wasn't denying that Portis is a Pro Bowl-caliber player. I've said repeatedly that he's a great back. I've repeatedly said that he's NOT overrated. I didn't intend for my praise of Dunn to be interpreted as an attack on Portis.

And yes, I did point out that Dunn doesn't get into the endzone a lot and gets nice lanes. If I didn't acknowledge those things I'd be cherry-picking the evidence. I like to think that I acknowledge both the good and bad things about a player, team, coach, etc.

Also, Duckett does get the ball in short-yardage situations because Dunn is undersized. However, that he is able to hold up to the punishment that he endures while being as small as he is is something he should get credit for.

But, the bottom line is that there is no denying that Dunn is a great player. He's racked up 1,247 yards on 242 carries for a 5.2 ypc average and another 200 yards in the air. He's also racked up 10 runs of 20 yards or more. Point blank, the guy is a baller.

b_cadvantag 12-15-2005 11:14 PM

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Here's who I should go to the Pro Bowl to represent the NFC:


QB Hasselbeck, Manning, Brunell
FB Cooley
RB Alexander, Barber, Portis/Dunn
WR Smith, Boldin, Moss, Galloway
TE Crumpler, Shockey
OT Jones, Pace, Samuels
OG Hutchinson, Thomas, Allen
C Kreutz, Bentley

DT Coleman, Griffin, Rogers
DE Strahan, Umenyiora, Peppers
OLB Washington, Dansby
ILB Urlacher, Pierce
CB Barber, Hall, Springs
FS Dawkins
SS Wilson[/QUOTE]


Funny List!!


Are those the backups to the Cowboy Starters on the NFC Pro Bowl!!!:headbange

SkinsLove24/7 12-15-2005 11:45 PM

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Sean Taylor???


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