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Old 01-09-2006, 03:43 PM   #46
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Re: Obligatory post-game "Walt Harris scares me" thread

What I wanna know is......when Harris gives receivers a freaking 30 yd cushion....is that his call or does it have to do with the coverage they're running? To me it seems like he gives receivers way too much cushion.
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Old 01-09-2006, 03:43 PM   #47
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Re: Obligatory post-game "Walt Harris scares me" thread

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Except, this thread isn't reviewing the game. We're reviewing the play, or lack thereof by one Walt Harris. Using the end result of the game to forgive woefully inadequate coverage skills during key moments before the game has ended isn't exactly balanced.
Just curious, what did Galloway's stats look like last week? I'm guessing he must have put up at least 150 considering how horrible Harris is.
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Old 01-09-2006, 03:56 PM   #48
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Re: Obligatory post-game "Walt Harris scares me" thread

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Just curious, what did Galloway's stats look like last week? I'm guessing he must have put up at least 150 considering how horrible Harris is.
LOL, rest assured that Galloways ordinary stats had nothing to do with Harris' play. In fact, the one big 24 yd completion that Galloway caught was while Harris was covering him.

Defend Harris all you want Matty, and I'm as happy as you are with the end result of the game, but this thread is merely echoing the sentiment that many of us are scared to see this guy fill in for Springs. Sadly, there are few other options available at the moment. That doesn't change the fact that we're scared of him giving up the big play.
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Re: Obligatory post-game "Walt Harris scares me" thread

Isn't Springs going to be playing this week? I don't really know why we're so concerned about Walt Harris when we're going to have both Springs and Rogers in the lineup.

Granted Springs will probably still be sore, but having him back makes Harris less of a concern.
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Re: Obligatory post-game "Walt Harris scares me" thread

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LOL, rest assured that Galloways ordinary stats had nothing to do with Harris' play. In fact, the one big 24 yd completion that Galloway caught was while Harris was covering him.

Defend Harris all you want Matty, and I'm as happy as you are with the end result of the game, but this thread is merely echoing the sentiment that many of us are scared to see this guy fill in for Springs. Sadly, there are few other options available at the moment. That doesn't change the fact that we're scared of him giving up the big play.
Oh so this is all about a 24 yard completion? By the way Galloway exploded for 69 yards on 7 catches, but let's not give Harris any credit for that, after all he did give up a 24 yard catch.

Look, I wouldn't want Harris as my starter for 16 games either, but at this point what's the option? Jimoh?? Please.

My bigger concern in that game was when Taylor left. That's when the Bucs tried to go down the field and came really close a couple of times. Prior to Taylor leaving their deep game was non-existent.
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Old 01-09-2006, 04:19 PM   #51
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Re: Obligatory post-game "Walt Harris scares me" thread

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My bigger concern in that game was when Taylor left. That's when the Bucs tried to go down the field and came really close a couple of times. Prior to Taylor leaving their deep game was non-existent.
Exactly...now you're getting it (and not to be condescending, though I won't be surprised if you take it that way). Prior to Taylor leaving, Walt Harris wasn't tested. Galloway wasn't thrown to, hence his paltry stats. Once they started taking shots downfield after Taylor's ejection, Harris' inadequcies were showcased again.

But attributing Galloway's meager stats to the phenomenal job Harris did on him in coverage is pure BS. I was, am, and still remain SCARED OF HAVING HARRIS BACK IN ONE-ON-ONE COVERAGE against a #1 or #2 receiver (the point of this thread)

With Springs back, I'm less worried.
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Exactly...now you're getting it (and not to be condescending, though I won't be surprised if you take it that way). Prior to Taylor leaving, Walt Harris wasn't tested. Galloway wasn't thrown to, hence his paltry stats. Once they started taking shots downfield after Taylor's ejection, Harris' inadequcies were showcased again.

But attributing Galloway's meager stats to the phenomenal job Harris did on him in coverage is pure BS. I was, am, and still remain SCARED OF HAVING HARRIS BACK IN ONE-ON-ONE COVERAGE against a #1 or #2 receiver (the point of this thread)

With Springs back, I'm less worried.
Galloway had 4-35 in the first half and 3-34 in the 2nd half.

Doesn't look like Harris was tested very much in the 2nd half without Taylor to me.

I'm not saying Harris did a great job, but did he do a poor job? Far from it.

You're scared of what could have been, or what could be. Fair enough, but the numbers on the field don't justify your fears, that's all I'm saying.
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Re: Obligatory post-game "Walt Harris scares me" thread

I find it strange that the Bucs can get the ball to Galloway 7 times in a game and we can't get it to Moss more than 4 times. Same thing with Carolina. I can not understand why we don't just throw it up there and let him make a play. It works every single time.
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Re: Obligatory post-game "Walt Harris scares me" thread

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Galloway had 4-35 in the first half and 3-34 in the 2nd half.

Doesn't look like Harris was tested very much in the 2nd half without Taylor to me.

I'm not saying Harris did a great job, but did he do a poor job? Far from it.

You're scared of what could have been, or what could be. Fair enough, but the numbers on the field don't justify your fears, that's all I'm saying.
Galloways numbers on the field certainly don't justify my fear of Harris. That is something you brought in as a distraction. Those numbers could be as much a function of Rogers and other safeties, and certainly can't be confidently attributable to Harris doing a good job.

Edell Shephard blowing by him does justify my fear of Harris. That's all I'm saying.
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Re: Obligatory post-game "Walt Harris scares me" thread

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Galloways numbers on the field certainly don't justify my fear of Harris. That is something you brought in as a distraction. Those numbers could be as much a function of Rogers and other safeties, and certainly can't be confidently attributable to Harris doing a good job.

Edell Shephard blowing by him does justify my fear of Harris. That's all I'm saying.
Distraction? I used the numbers to back up my point. Galloway didn't do jack on Saturday, that was my point. So these concerns over Harris's abilities seem a little overblown to me, that's all.

By the way it was Rogers that Shepard toasted on the TD that was ruled incomplete. So should we be worried about Rogers too?
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Distraction? I used the numbers to back up my point. Galloway didn't do jack on Saturday, that was my point. So these concerns over Harris's abilities seem a little overblown to me, that's all.

By the way it was Rogers that Shepard toasted on the TD that was ruled incomplete. So should we be worried about Rogers too?
But it was Harris that was roasted on the overthrown TD. And it was Harris and Rogers in coverage on the TD you mention. Atleast Rogers made a play on that one -in fact, some analysts like the idiot Sean Salisbury point to the fact that Rogers was the one that caused the ball to bobble out. I'm not worried about the Rookie.

Pointing to Galloways numbers are a distraction because its not as though Harris was on Galloway the entire evening. Galloway was taken out the game by a plethora of DBs, of which Harris was only one. You talk as though Harris was in one-on-one with Galloway the entire game.

Bottom line, when the game was on the line, 4th and 10, they threw to Shephard who blew by Harris (wasn't even close) and fortunately the ball was long. Whew! That to me was scary.
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Re: Obligatory post-game "Walt Harris scares me" thread

So Harris had nothing to do with the fine job our secondary did??
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Re: Obligatory post-game "Walt Harris scares me" thread

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So Harris had nothing to do with the fine job our secondary did??
Harris got burned. The ball was long. That was scary. I never said that he can't play within the scheme with help. Its when he doesn't have help that he can't be relied upon.
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Re: Obligatory post-game "Walt Harris scares me" thread

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By the way it was Rogers that Shepard toasted on the TD that was ruled incomplete. So should we be worried about Rogers too?
Thank you, Matty. I was wondering if I was going to have to chime in here to correct that.

It was Rogers that was covering Edell Shepard on his dropped touchdown catch, not Walt Harris.
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Re: Obligatory post-game "Walt Harris scares me" thread

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Let's not forget about that great tackle he had, probably saved a score!
I had to remind a guy of that today. He isn't our first string punter and wasn't the second choice either. He got the job by default once we got in a bind with Groom. The tackle he made makes up for the shank in my book. He didn't just stand there, he ran the guy down and got him.

Harris is a fine nickel corner but will probably find himself fighting for a job during camp next year.

The bottom line is that with Taylor and Springs out our secondary isn't great. That should be expected (don't you think?)

If we are going to get into the "what if" discussions (what if Simms didn't overthorw so and so...) then we should mention that if we needed to be in a shootout, Moss would have made some Tampa corners look pretty bad too... even with double coverage.
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