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Old 01-10-2006, 01:55 PM   #181
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I swear, I watched the video many times over just like many of you have, and for the life of me I couldn't see anything come from Sean's helmet.

Furthermore, if he had spit on Pittman I would think Pittman would have immediately wiped it from his face. I couldn't see any type of jesture or anything.
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Old 01-10-2006, 01:57 PM   #182
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Am I reading this right? Are you saying spitting on someone is worse than beating your wife?
NO, are you kidding me? they are all horrible. I am saying spitting in someones face is a classless thing to do. You can not think that I would suggest beating your wife is less harmful than spitting. No ones wife was brought into this, its spitting by a football player on another football player. What I am pissed about is people are trying to say its OK. Its not even about football anymore its about peoples morals. this is rediculous that people think its ok for a person to spit in someones face, and you are worried about the retaleation. pushing, grabbing face masks and stuff like that is an everygame occurance. Spitting is not, and should not be tolerated in the least. $17k is light. plus he gets to play(which I am glad as a redskins fan) but morally it sends that the league is putting the individual player above rules and respect of the league. Like I said, its not even the football thing that pisses me off, its people saying its ok. Let somebody spit on one of the Skins and you would have been calling for the same thing Taylor got. I thought when Romanowski did it, it was classless and he should have been fined more than 7500.00 dollars. Wilbon brings up a good point, Portis was fined 20k for socks and visor, but taylor 17k for spitting in someones face? whats wrong w/ that.
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Old 01-10-2006, 02:01 PM   #183
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NO, are you kidding me? they are all horrible. I am saying spitting in someones face is a classless thing to do. You can not think that I would suggest beating your wife is less harmful than spitting. No ones wife was brought into this, its spitting by a football player on another football player. What I am pissed about is people are trying to say its OK. Its not even about football anymore its about peoples morals. this is rediculous that people think its ok for a person to spit in someones face, and you are worried about the retaleation. pushing, grabbing face masks and stuff like that is an everygame occurance. Spitting is not, and should not be tolerated in the least. $17k is light. plus he gets to play(which I am glad as a redskins fan) but morally it sends that the league is putting the individual player above rules and respect of the league. Like I said, its not even the football thing that pisses me off, its people saying its ok. Let somebody spit on one of the Skins and you would have been calling for the same thing Taylor got. I thought when Romanowski did it, it was classless and he should have been fined more than 7500.00 dollars. Wilbon brings up a good point, Portis was fined 20k for socks and visor, but taylor 17k for spitting in someones face? whats wrong w/ that.
Ok. I figured you didn't mean it. Just the way it was written I guess had me wondering. All cleared up now
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Old 01-10-2006, 02:22 PM   #184
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IF he actually spit on Pittman, - I have watched the replay four times and i can't see anything - then 17k and no suspension is a small fine.

IF he actually spit on Pittman, I really don't see how anyone can defend that action.
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Old 01-10-2006, 02:27 PM   #185
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IF he actually spit on Pittman, - I have watched the replay four times and i can't see anything - then 17k and no suspension is a small fine.

IF he actually spit on Pittman, I really don't see how anyone can defend that action.
I don't think anyone in this entire thread has defended the action of spitting. Most people here are wondering whether he actually spat, others (like me) are focusing on the inconsistency in the punishments levied by the refs. Just makes no sense to me how a guy who spits in someone's face receives a harsher punishment than someone who takes a swing at someone's face. There's disrespect and then there's intent to cause bodily harm.

Nobody's defending the act of spitting though.
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Old 01-10-2006, 04:17 PM   #186
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You guys are killing me. So if Roy Williams came over and spat on Santana Moss, you would look the other way and say well, he is a safety that is ok.
Unfortunately, Roy Williams does not play for the Redskins.

Any Redskins player that helps us win, I am a fan of.

Any Redskins player that hurts us more than he helps, is on my $%^! list.


Some of you guys are so used to losing and taking it sitting down it's not even funny. Do you even remember what it was like to cheer for a winning team? Has it really come to this, hating your own team so much that other team's fans make fun of us for not holding the faith for our own guys?
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Old 01-10-2006, 04:19 PM   #187
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I don't think anyone in this entire thread has defended the action of spitting. Most people here are wondering whether he actually spat, others (like me) are focusing on the inconsistency in the punishments levied by the refs. Just makes no sense to me how a guy who spits in someone's face receives a harsher punishment than someone who takes a swing at someone's face. There's disrespect and then there's intent to cause bodily harm.

Nobody's defending the act of spitting though.
Well, to be fair, I'm saying I don't care whether he spat or not because he helped us win the game.

I'm tired of all the high and mighty, "football is a gentleman's game", "that's disrespectful" hogwash.

Taylor is a maniac on the field, and that's why we love him. It turns out he may have problems turning that part of his brain off between downs and/or games, and now everybody wants to disown him.

I think that's far lamer than the issue of whether he spit on a wifebeater.
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Old 01-10-2006, 04:33 PM   #188
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Well, to be fair, I'm saying I don't care whether he spat or not because he helped us win the game.

I'm tired of all the high and mighty, "football is a gentleman's game", "that's disrespectful" hogwash.

Taylor is a maniac on the field, and that's why we love him. It turns out he may have problems turning that part of his brain off between downs and/or games, and now everybody wants to disown him.

I think that's far lamer than the issue of whether he spit on a wifebeater.
Actually I'm pretty much in your corner. I don't think players should be allowed to spit on each other, and they should get flagged for a 15 yard penalty for it. But not ejected, not so long as players are allowed to physically fight on the field.

As far as Taylor goes, I lose no respect for the guy just because he spit on somebody. I'm just glad to see the Redskins starting to exude a little toughness for once, after being a bunch of pansies under Spurrier. I'd prefer Taylor not spit, but only because spitting means he'll be ejected, not because he flies in the face of some moral standard I set. In fact, I'll go so far as to say I'll gain respect for him if he spat in T.O.'s face on the field, because I friggin hate T.O.

It's kind of odd for us to root for Sean Taylor to knock the socks off of guys when they're coming over the middle, and then chastize him for something like this. You don't have to like that he spat, you don't have to defend him, you can be grossed out, you can view him as a punk, but as long as you still want the guy on your defense, you can't act all high and mighty and self-righteous.
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Old 01-10-2006, 04:34 PM   #189
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Well, to be fair, I'm saying I don't care whether he spat or not because he helped us win the game.

I'm tired of all the high and mighty, "football is a gentleman's game", "that's disrespectful" hogwash.

Taylor is a maniac on the field, and that's why we love him. It turns out he may have problems turning that part of his brain off between downs and/or games, and now everybody wants to disown him.

I think that's far lamer than the issue of whether he spit on a wifebeater.
If you dont think spitting on someone is disrespectful, I cant imagine what you think is.
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Old 01-10-2006, 04:39 PM   #190
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If you dont think spitting on someone is disrespectful, I cant imagine what you think is.
His main point was that you're kidding yourself if you would truly place your moral values regarding spitting above your desire to have Sean Taylor play this weekend.

Raise your hand if you want Sean Taylor off the team.

Is your hand up? No? Then get off his back.
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Old 01-10-2006, 04:50 PM   #191
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If you dont think spitting on someone is disrespectful, I cant imagine what you think is.
Why do people insist on confusing the real world with the football field? NFL players are not held responsible for playing by the rules the rest of us are. Deal with it.

I think it's disrespectful to call someone else's wife a whore, but I have no doubt that kind of stuff gets said across the line of scrimmage all day long.

Spitting is no different than any other insult, and I dont think it means anything in the game of football.

On the street is a totally different thing and what doesn't fly for you and me is completely irrelevant to the NFL.
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Old 01-10-2006, 04:51 PM   #192
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I think all of us would agree that spitting is disrespectful, and to a person we all would pretty much agree that this has gone on for God knows how long in the NFL.

No, this doesn't obsolve Sean Taylor in any way. It was a shameful act.

But I think, perhaps I'm being presumptuous, some of us are a little embarrassed and disappointed about the fact that the sport which we hold so high and esteem and such a despicable and shameful act could co-exist at the same time.
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Old 01-10-2006, 05:03 PM   #193
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Could you explain to me how anything that goes on on this site helps the team? I know some people actually believe they are part of the team because they wear gear and yell loudly at games but to think or suggest that anything discussed on this site helps the team is absurd.
You mean what is discussed on this site does not help the team? I demand my donation back!! and all this time I thought Gibbs was reading my post and thats why Brunell was playing instead of Ramsey
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Old 01-10-2006, 05:06 PM   #194
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But I think, perhaps I'm being presumptuous, some of us are a little embarrassed and disappointed about the fact that the sport which we hold so high and esteem and such a despicable and shameful act could co-exist at the same time.
If you are right about this, 12thMan, then those people are extremely naive. Anyone who thinks dirty and nasty things aren't said and done every game, they've got their head in the clouds. Awful stuff happens at the bottom of the pile. At the bottom of piles, guys shove fingers in eyes, ears, noses, buttholes (no joke), they scratch, they pinch, they hit in the privates, and when they can they hit in the face. They call names and insult family members to provoke other players. All of this goes on in the game we all love. I hope all of us realize this, and I think we all do realize it.

And as long as you're still a fan of a game where this kind of thing knowingly goes on, you have no business getting bent out of shape about a loogie in someone's grill.

IMO, spitting is mild compared to a thumb up my ass under a pile.

Should all of the above be punished with a 15-yard penalty if caught by the ref? Yes. But nobody has any business being morally outraged by a loogie. I find that ridiculous.
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Unfortunately, Roy Williams does not play for the Redskins.

Any Redskins player that helps us win, I am a fan of.

Any Redskins player that hurts us more than he helps, is on my $%^! list.


Some of you guys are so used to losing and taking it sitting down it's not even funny. Do you even remember what it was like to cheer for a winning team? Has it really come to this, hating your own team so much that other team's fans make fun of us for not holding the faith for our own guys?
Like I said previously it isn't even about football. Its about a classless act from a Redskin. Do you think Joe was happy about it. NO. I guess if Joe came out and went off about it and said how wrong and ignorant it was, then you all would fall in line.
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