The Spitting Ejection

LBrown43 · 01-08-2006, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

I think it's funny that Cowboy fans are coming here and ragging on Redskin players for their character. That's absurd.

In the heat of a football game, I just don't understand why spitting is an ejectable offense. Does spitting in a guy's face hamper his ability to play the game? No, and yet players are ejected for it. Meanwhile, a guy takes a swing at someone, trying to come up under the facemask to connect with throat and chin, and he's not ejected for it. Doesn't make any sense at all. If the punch connects, it could hurt the other player, preventing him from playing effectively. If spit connects, you wipe it off.

It just doesn't make sense. The punishment needs to fit the crime. It's unsportsmanlike conduct, no doubt. Sean Taylor is a punk, no doubt. But ejecting him is not a fitting punishment when so many other guys are allowed to take swings at each other and get away with a 15-yard penalty.

In my opinion, what Runyan did last week to Salave'a is way worse than what Taylor did to Pittman.

I agree on the Runyon call. He should have been ejected. It still does not make what Sean diod right. Wether in the heat of battle or not spitting anyones face anytime is wrong.

arrington_QBkiller · 01-08-2006, 11:19 AM

this isn't the first time taylor has done this, last year he spit in the face of Houshmanzada(sp?)

Sammy Baugh Fan · 01-08-2006, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by arrington_QBkiller

this isn't the first time taylor has done this, last year he spit in the face of Houshmanzada(sp?)

From NFL.com about allegations of spitting last year:
" Taylor was investigated last season for spitting at Cincinnati receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh. The NFL carefully reviewed tapes to determine whether Taylor should be fined, but they found no video evidence to support the allegation."

SmootSmack · 01-08-2006, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

When the flag was tossed and the ejection announced, you did not see the ten other Redskins on the field at the time going ballistic over a wrong call.

When Taylor went to the sidelines, you did not see Gregg Williams or Joe Gibbs about to burst a blood vessel in the brain as they screeched at the officials.

The incident happened about 20 hours ago and you have not heard Gibbs or Williams - - or even Danny Boy - - stand up behind a microphone and say that the call and the penalty and the ejection were horrendous and that this is an example of poor officiating and that Sean Taylor is being picked on by the refs.

IF HE DIDN'T SPIT, you would have heard/seen all of those things...

Someone asked if there was a rule against spitting. I do not have a current NFL Rule Book here, but from memory I believe that ejection MAY happen for ANY unsportsmanlilke conduct call. And that decision is at the referee's discretion.

The word for the day is:

M E A T H E A D

I thought Gregg Williams did come to his defense last night

Sammy Baugh Fan · 01-08-2006, 11:46 AM

"He said they got into a verbal match, going back and forth," Williams said. "He said he did not spit on him. That's what he told me and I believe him. I will tell you this: I love the kid. The kid has a great heart behind the scenes and he's a tremendous competitor. There is no other free safety in the National Football League that I'd rather coach than him."
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skinsfanthru&thru · 01-08-2006, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dgack

That to me sounds like they are saying they don't need the penalty and ejection, which is absolutely correct and they have a right to be irritated about it.

There is something to be said for a player with a rep for getting into situations like this being baited by other players and/or not getting the benefit of the doubt from the refs. I'm not saying it happened here, but we've seen it in the NFL and even the NBA, where certain players whose checkered past follows them every where they go, get called for things they may not have actually done.

Taylor is probably approaching that status, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see more players come after him and try to take advantage of the situation. What the team captains need to do is get him back to the huddle as soon as a play is blown dead and keep him away from any potentially bad situations, if that's what it takes.

yeah, it sounded more like Daniels was talking about getting a flag thrown against Taylor. I'm personally shocked by the amount of people taking the word of a referee who have a knack for getting calls incorrect over actual VISUAL EVIDENCE. Unless Taylor has the ability to spit at the speed of light there has been zero video evidence to warrant the penalty and ejection on the part of Taylor, but THERE IS plenty of evidence to warrant Pittman being penalized and ejected. And once again the replays they've shown seem to show the ref looking at the ground while trying to break the 2 players up when the alleged spit took place so the only way I can think of that the ref would have known about the spit was to hear it. And people keep bringing up last year's incident with TJH, but the league could not find any type of evidence to support TJH's claim. I'm more mad at Taylor for stupidly starting to talk trash with a player who was walking away from him. If they can actually find evidence to prove Taylor did this than he deserves any punishment the league and the team want to give him, but until then I'll take what I have seen with my 2 eyes and the quick defense of Taylor by Gregg Williams.

Mattyk · 01-08-2006, 12:28 PM

I'm just about done posting on this topic, but all I'm gonna say again is the ref was right there... yet for some reason sitting at home watching on TV people think they had all the visual evidence, or lack thereof, they needed to determine there was no spit.

I'm not saying I saw anything other than a slight head bob by Taylor, but if the ref saw enough to toss him I have to believe something happened. I'm not going to sit here and say well, I didn't see anything on TV so nothing could have happened.

Sometimes it's hard to even tell when it's raining during a game, so I guess to us at home if we can't see it then it must not be happening?

It could have been a very minute amount of spit, but if the ref saw Taylor commiting the action of spitting in Pittman's direction, does it really matter how much spit there was?? I guess only huge throat clams are deserving of a penalty and ejection?

Taylor isn't exactly a model citizen, if this was Darrell Green being accused of this ok, I would be more likely to think he was innocent. But we're talking about a guy who has some very serious off the field issues, and on the field he's gotten himself into some hot water as well.

Sammy Baugh Fan · 01-08-2006, 12:41 PM

I think Sean Taylor just has a LISP but I ain't telling him

lol

dgack · 01-08-2006, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

The word for the day is:

M E A T H E A D

This is about the only point in the argument that we can all agree on. All the rest of the bitching and moaning about how Taylor is a punk or whether he did or didn't do it is completely irrelevant. He put the team in a position that could have cost us the game and that's the part that is reprehensible.

Let me ask those of you who seem hell-bent on hanging him out to dry because he's such a bad person this:

If Taylor spit in someone else's face during a game, and nobody saw it, and the national press hadn't picked up on it, and we ended up winning that game because of a play he made later in the game, are you telling me your integrity demands that he be ejected and punished just the same, even if it means we lose the game and ergo don't go to the playoffs?

Are you really so appalled by the "dishonor" of the alleged act, or is it really that you're embarrassed? I'm guessing the latter.

A lot of you guys seem to be holier-than-thou with respect to Lavar and Taylor, to the point where you talk like you're prepared to endure another losing season if that's what it takes to get these "losers" and "punks" off the team. Well, I wonder if you realize how many games we won BECAUSE of those guys, and that we'd be playing golf with the Eagles right now without them.

TheMalcolmConnection · 01-08-2006, 12:58 PM

Here's how I feel. If he did indeed spit, the ejection was warranted. This is what I feel is unfair to Taylor. How much good play does Taylor have to do to make up for personal "bad plays"? Whatever happens, it'll be in the past and I'd like to think he has been learning from mistakes. It's time for us to move on, and to be sure it makes it a bit of a bittersweet victory.

On a high note, we'll be going into Seattle at somewhat full strength and hopefully Sean can shut his mouth and do his job.

TheMalcolmConnection · 01-08-2006, 12:59 PM

Just a side note, according to Chris Cooley, Taylor DID spit on Pittman, but that was after Pittman smacked him in the head. They got the guy who retaliated.

EEich · 01-08-2006, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sammy Baugh Fan

A flag is NOT proof.

From NFL.com about last year.

" Taylor was investigated last season for spitting at Cincinnati receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh. The NFL carefully reviewed tapes to determine whether Taylor should be fined, but they found no video evidence to support the allegation."

So we should get Dr Lee to run forensics on the spit for absolute proof?
Don't you think the ref being there and seeing it is enough?

Sammy Baugh Fan · 01-08-2006, 01:25 PM

Nope.
Was it enough last year?

A flag does not spit make.

Gmanc711 · 01-08-2006, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Just a side note, according to Chris Cooley, Taylor DID spit on Pittman, but that was after Pittman smacked him in the head. They got the guy who retaliated.

Either way, they were both in the wrong in my opinion. If that was the case though, then Pittman should have gotten minimum whatever Taylor got. If Pittman did hit him first, that changes my whole opinion on the topic.

Its in the past, as long as hes not suspended next week, I really dont care.

22stillrocks · 01-08-2006, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm just about done posting on this topic, but all I'm gonna say again is the ref was right there... yet for some reason sitting at home watching on TV people think they had all the visual evidence, or lack thereof, they needed to determine there was no spit.

I'm not saying I saw anything other than a slight head bob by Taylor, but if the ref saw enough to toss him I have to believe something happened. I'm not going to sit here and say well, I didn't see anything on TV so nothing could have happened.

Sometimes it's hard to even tell when it's raining during a game, so I guess to us at home if we can't see it then it must not be happening?

It could have been a very minute amount of spit, but if the ref saw Taylor commiting the action of spitting in Pittman's direction, does it really matter how much spit there was?? I guess only huge throat clams are deserving of a penalty and ejection?

Taylor isn't exactly a model citizen, if this was Darrell Green being accused of this ok, I would be more likely to think he was innocent. But we're talking about a guy who has some very serious off the field issues, and on the field he's gotten himself into some hot water as well.

Well what do you know, there is a sane one in the bunch!

01-08-2006, 11:19 AM	#92
arrington_QBkiller Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2004 Age: 32 Posts: 72	Re: The Spitting Ejection this isn't the first time taylor has done this, last year he spit in the face of Houshmanzada(sp?)

01-08-2006, 11:46 AM	#95
Sammy Baugh Fan Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Northern Virginia, Woodbridge Age: 51 Posts: 2,507	Re: The Spitting Ejection "He said they got into a verbal match, going back and forth," Williams said. "He said he did not spit on him. That's what he told me and I believe him. I will tell you this: I love the kid. The kid has a great heart behind the scenes and he's a tremendous competitor. There is no other free safety in the National Football League that I'd rather coach than him." redskins.com __________________ Check out Mike Hedrick - The Next Food Network Star. Please Click and give me a Thumbs Up and Positive Comment. Thanks

01-08-2006, 12:28 PM	#97
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,739	Re: The Spitting Ejection I'm just about done posting on this topic, but all I'm gonna say again is the ref was right there... yet for some reason sitting at home watching on TV people think they had all the visual evidence, or lack thereof, they needed to determine there was no spit. I'm not saying I saw anything other than a slight head bob by Taylor, but if the ref saw enough to toss him I have to believe something happened. I'm not going to sit here and say well, I didn't see anything on TV so nothing could have happened. Sometimes it's hard to even tell when it's raining during a game, so I guess to us at home if we can't see it then it must not be happening? It could have been a very minute amount of spit, but if the ref saw Taylor commiting the action of spitting in Pittman's direction, does it really matter how much spit there was?? I guess only huge throat clams are deserving of a penalty and ejection? Taylor isn't exactly a model citizen, if this was Darrell Green being accused of this ok, I would be more likely to think he was innocent. But we're talking about a guy who has some very serious off the field issues, and on the field he's gotten himself into some hot water as well. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

01-08-2006, 12:41 PM	#98
Sammy Baugh Fan Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Northern Virginia, Woodbridge Age: 51 Posts: 2,507	Re: The Spitting Ejection I think Sean Taylor just has a LISP but I ain't telling him lol __________________ Check out Mike Hedrick - The Next Food Network Star. Please Click and give me a Thumbs Up and Positive Comment. Thanks

01-08-2006, 12:58 PM	#100
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 31 Posts: 17,120	Re: The Spitting Ejection Here's how I feel. If he did indeed spit, the ejection was warranted. This is what I feel is unfair to Taylor. How much good play does Taylor have to do to make up for personal "bad plays"? Whatever happens, it'll be in the past and I'd like to think he has been learning from mistakes. It's time for us to move on, and to be sure it makes it a bit of a bittersweet victory. On a high note, we'll be going into Seattle at somewhat full strength and hopefully Sean can shut his mouth and do his job. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

01-08-2006, 12:59 PM	#101
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 31 Posts: 17,120	Re: The Spitting Ejection Just a side note, according to Chris Cooley, Taylor DID spit on Pittman, but that was after Pittman smacked him in the head. They got the guy who retaliated. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

01-08-2006, 01:25 PM	#103
Sammy Baugh Fan Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Northern Virginia, Woodbridge Age: 51 Posts: 2,507	Re: The Spitting Ejection Nope. Was it enough last year? A flag does not spit make. __________________ Check out Mike Hedrick - The Next Food Network Star. Please Click and give me a Thumbs Up and Positive Comment. Thanks

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