Extremeskins vs Lenny Pasta

skinsguy · 01-08-2006, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by hurrykaine

As fas as I'm concerned, Gibbs' biggest contribution to the redskins has been on the hiring (both coaches and players) and team-building front, not in offensive strategy.

You certainly have your opinion, but I believe you need to take another look at what you said and look at this team as a whole. Gibbs' offensive strategy is a major reason why we're in the playoffs, coupled with a great defense.

CRT3 · 01-08-2006, 05:56 PM

Well if you guys read the article apparently he is not a historian.

"Fortunately for the Redskins, who won their first playoff game since 1992, their defense was far nastier."

Well the idiot forgot we won in 1999 against Detroit at FEDEX. The last time Gibbs won was in 1992.

This guy should be told to get out of the press box cause he is doing a injustice to all journalist .

hurrykaine · 01-08-2006, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

You certainly have your opinion, but I believe you need to take another look at what you said and look at this team as a whole. Gibbs' offensive strategy is a major reason why we're in the playoffs, coupled with a great defense.

It is one of the reasons, but I don't see it as a major reason. Putting the offense in Clinton's hands is nothing new - it is what Gibbs has always wanted to do - its no brilliant innovation to implement a run first strategy.

In the Gibbs II era, just my humble opinion, Gibbs greatest contribution has been team building (assembling character guys and getting rid of weeds) and great coaching hires (Bugel, Williams, Blache, Lindsey Musgrave etc.). If the head coach has to face the music everytime the team fails, then when the team wins - you have to give the head coach props, even if he had nothing to do with defensive strategy - that's my point and motivation for criticizing Pasta's imbalanced article.

hurrykaine · 01-08-2006, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by illdefined

miss my post 'Kaine?

yeah, he couldn't ignore the skins and be considered an 'NFL expert' anymore. so yeah its the skins but "cuz of Williams". total bitch move.

Oops...sorry, just noticed that you did paste the link to the story. Yea, Pasta's clearly biased. He was one of the few that went out on a limb and proclaimed that Gibbs II would be a failure, and now he is not pleased about having to eat Crow.

Pasta should stick to timely reporting - he does have good sources about coaching and player moves/hires, but he's certainly no football analyst.

skinsguy · 01-08-2006, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by hurrykaine

It is one of the reasons, but I don't see it as a major reason. Putting the offense in Clinton's hands is nothing new - it is what Gibbs has always wanted to do - its no brilliant innovation to implement a run first strategy.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I just don't see how one can discredit an offensive strategy because it's a run first strategy. It's alot tougher to be successful running the ball to move the offense downfield. If it wasn't so tough, there would be no need for a quarterback - we'd just direct snap to the running back on every play.

FirstandTen · 01-08-2006, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by illdefined

hey guys, look. any success the Skins may have is solely because of Williams.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playof...len&id=2284184

Lenny is not even worth getting pissed about anymore. The guys lost all crediblity!!

celts32 · 01-08-2006, 09:52 PM

How can ESPN not fire him? I am a little angry that ESPN would allow him to continue to work for them. They can't be blind to this...

They need to get that tape into the right hands over at ESPN...

hurrykaine · 01-09-2006, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I just don't see how one can discredit an offensive strategy because it's a run first strategy. It's alot tougher to be successful running the ball to move the offense downfield. If it wasn't so tough, there would be no need for a quarterback - we'd just direct snap to the running back on every play.

Saying the run-first is a basic philosophy behind the Gibbs offense is in no way meant to discredit the strategy. Its just that there's nothing innovative about it a la the schemes of Greg Williams. Lest this be misunderstood, my original post is not a "why do we need Gibbs" post - that would be a Pastabelly type statement to make. My opinion is simply that Gibbs' has brought more to the redskins by way of his genius and expertise on the team building and team management front than on the innovative playcalling front.

hooskins · 01-09-2006, 02:05 AM

Totally off subject, but our buddy Lenny reminds me of this of the fat goofy dude from the show "Viva La Bam". Its a terrible show on MTV.....

onlydarksets · 01-09-2006, 08:12 AM

He has devolved into a sad, petty little (relatively) man. This is all he has, and he ain't got much.

cpayne5 · 01-09-2006, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by hooskins

Totally off subject, but our buddy Lenny reminds me of this of the fat goofy dude from the show "Viva La Bam". Its a terrible show on MTV.....

Yeah, somebody posted a picture of Don Vito over at ES. I've always thought that his picture on ESPN.com looked like Vito.

BDBohnzie · 01-09-2006, 10:20 AM

k 1) Viva La Bam is hilarious...but since i have the sense of humor of a 15 year old adolescent male, then of course I think that.

2) Pastabelly is doing his job. He creates his opinion, then sticks by it to the end. Would you rather have your columnist who flip flops more than John Kerry, or a guy who admits he hates your team but sticks by his opinion through thick and thin?

As much as I don't like him, he creates bulletin board material and stuff for us to complain about. BTW, don't be surprised if he doesn't take a single Skins fan question tomorrow...

Mattyk · 01-09-2006, 10:44 AM

I'd prefer to see a guy admit it when he's wrong, that's all.

Lenny said that by the time Gibbs was done with this second tour of duty he would be just an ordinary Joe.

Well, in year 2 he's got the Skins in the playoffs and a wild card winner.

If Lenny isn't man enough to admit that Gibbs is anything but an 'ordinary Joe' then it's obvious the guy has an axe to grind. His language and reactions to the guys from ES are inexcusable in my opinion, this guy has a job because of the fans but he's basically spitting in our faces.

Of course I can't say if the guys from ES were at all to blame for perhaps provoking some hostility outta him. And I'm sure all the fans on his chats calling him names and making fat jokes doesn't help matters either.

FRPLG · 01-09-2006, 12:02 PM

One of my biggest problems with Lenny is that he positions himself as two different types of journalists. One has an opinion and states it regularly. This makes him a columnist. We usually have issues with his opinions but that's all they are; opinions. The other guy positions himself as an insider. He breaks stories with regularity and actually does a real good job on this front. His work as an insider is very good and should be commended. Problem is when you are an insider it is hard for readers to seperate your opinion from your insider info. I think you can effectively be one or the other but I think to be both you have to be very good and he doesn't pull it off that well.

backrow · 01-09-2006, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BDBohnzie

k 2) Would you rather have your columnist who flip flops more than John Kerry, or a guy who admits he hates your team but sticks by his opinion through thick and thin?

LOL! Flippy-Floppy! Oh, my! LOL!

Great line BDBohonzie!

01-08-2006, 05:56 PM	#17
CRT3 Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Rockville Age: 50 Posts: 795	Re: Extremeskins vs Lenny Pasta Well if you guys read the article apparently he is not a historian. "Fortunately for the Redskins, who won their first playoff game since 1992, their defense was far nastier." Well the idiot forgot we won in 1999 against Detroit at FEDEX. The last time Gibbs won was in 1992. This guy should be told to get out of the press box cause he is doing a injustice to all journalist . __________________ 16-0 for 2007

01-08-2006, 09:52 PM	#22
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 41 Posts: 2,644	Re: Extremeskins vs Lenny Pasta How can ESPN not fire him? I am a little angry that ESPN would allow him to continue to work for them. They can't be blind to this... They need to get that tape into the right hands over at ESPN... __________________ Section 115 Row 23 “Goal line, goal line. I-left, tight wing, 70 chip on white.” http://victorybeer.com/

01-09-2006, 02:05 AM	#24
hooskins Most Interesting Man in the World Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chantilly, VA Age: 26 Posts: 8,568	Re: Extremeskins vs Lenny Pasta Totally off subject, but our buddy Lenny reminds me of this of the fat goofy dude from the show "Viva La Bam". Its a terrible show on MTV..... __________________ Vacancy

01-09-2006, 08:12 AM	#25
onlydarksets Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: all up in your business Posts: 2,693	Re: Extremeskins vs Lenny Pasta He has devolved into a sad, petty little (relatively) man. This is all he has, and he ain't got much.

01-09-2006, 10:20 AM	#27
BDBohnzie Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Frederick, MD Age: 34 Posts: 4,372	Re: Extremeskins vs Lenny Pasta k 1) Viva La Bam is hilarious...but since i have the sense of humor of a 15 year old adolescent male, then of course I think that. 2) Pastabelly is doing his job. He creates his opinion, then sticks by it to the end. Would you rather have your columnist who flip flops more than John Kerry, or a guy who admits he hates your team but sticks by his opinion through thick and thin? As much as I don't like him, he creates bulletin board material and stuff for us to complain about. BTW, don't be surprised if he doesn't take a single Skins fan question tomorrow... __________________ Bad Things man, I mean bad things... “WE TOOK HIM IN THE SIXTH ROUND SO WE'RE NOT SMART EITHER.” - Shanny on what the Skins saw in Alfred Morris

01-09-2006, 10:44 AM	#28
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 73,200	Re: Extremeskins vs Lenny Pasta I'd prefer to see a guy admit it when he's wrong, that's all. Lenny said that by the time Gibbs was done with this second tour of duty he would be just an ordinary Joe. Well, in year 2 he's got the Skins in the playoffs and a wild card winner. If Lenny isn't man enough to admit that Gibbs is anything but an 'ordinary Joe' then it's obvious the guy has an axe to grind. His language and reactions to the guys from ES are inexcusable in my opinion, this guy has a job because of the fans but he's basically spitting in our faces. Of course I can't say if the guys from ES were at all to blame for perhaps provoking some hostility outta him. And I'm sure all the fans on his chats calling him names and making fat jokes doesn't help matters either. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

01-09-2006, 12:02 PM	#29
FRPLG Franchise Player Join Date: May 2004 Age: 34 Posts: 9,293	Re: Extremeskins vs Lenny Pasta One of my biggest problems with Lenny is that he positions himself as two different types of journalists. One has an opinion and states it regularly. This makes him a columnist. We usually have issues with his opinions but that's all they are; opinions. The other guy positions himself as an insider. He breaks stories with regularity and actually does a real good job on this front. His work as an insider is very good and should be commended. Problem is when you are an insider it is hard for readers to seperate your opinion from your insider info. I think you can effectively be one or the other but I think to be both you have to be very good and he doesn't pull it off that well.

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