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Old 04-26-2004, 04:35 PM   #16
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The trade made sense cap wise. We had better get used to giving away picks because we are already dishing next years.
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Old 04-26-2004, 04:49 PM   #17
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Matty:

I have to quibble with you on your interpretation that the deal was Portis for a 2nd round pick because Bailey was a goner anyway. Remember, Bailey was the "franchise player" so he wasn't going anywhere unless the Skins made a deal for him.

The test of the deal is to see what Tatum Bell turns out to be for Denver.

SUPPOSE Portis gains 1500 yards and Bell gains 1300 yards. Then the skins gave up Bailey for a difference of 200 yards per year. NOT A GOOD DEAL!!

SUPPOSE Portis gains 1500 yards and another 500 yards receiving and Bell only gains 800 yards. MONSTER GOOD DEAL!!

Frankly, the fact that the Skins were able to get an elite player (Portis) in a deal involving one of their players who was in a snit over contract negotiations is a pretty remarkable thing in the first place.
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Old 04-26-2004, 06:02 PM   #18
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Bailey was franchised, but let's face it, he wasn't coming back. Maybe the 'Skins did have to sweeten the deal a bit to move him, but in the big picture I think it's a deal that will work out fine for both sides. Mediots like King like to make it seem like the 'Skins were absolutely raped in the deal, which just isn't the case.
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Old 04-26-2004, 06:06 PM   #19
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If Portis gains 1500 yards this season, I don't care what Tatum Bell does. I'll still call it a good deal for the Redskins.

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Old 04-26-2004, 06:52 PM   #20
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Good call Phinehas. If Portis has a big year and helps take the Skins back to the playoffs I could really care less what Bell or Bailey do for Denver. The deal is done and over with, no sense in crying over it now.
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Old 04-26-2004, 06:58 PM   #21
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Champ is going to cost Denver more in terms of salary cap space than Portis will count against our cap ... and I believe it was that very issue that had Denver demanding our second rounder. I wonder if Peter King will still be talking about that stupid friggin second rounder when Portis is running roughshod all over the NFC East this year.

TV Announcer: "Another 150-yard, 2 TD game for Clinton Portis ... man, the Redskins sure got fleeced in that deal with Denver, didn't they? They could have had ... Tatum Bell."

Everyone talks about how important a shut-down CB is but I think a stud RB is a lot more important to a team's success. If you can't run the ball, you're not going to win. If you don't have a shut-down corner, there are things you can do to cover up that deficiency. You can't cover up a nonexistent running game, which is what we were looking at before the Redskins traded for Portis.

Do I wish we could have kept the second round pick? Sure. But keeping it wasn't an option and I'm happy to give it up for Portis. Peter King is an idiot just like most of these self-annointed media experts.
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Old 04-26-2004, 07:12 PM   #22
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Champ is going to cost Denver more in terms of salary cap space than Portis will count against our cap ... and I believe it was that very issue that had Denver demanding our second rounder.
I think you hit it right on the head there Ghost.
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Old 04-26-2004, 07:14 PM   #23
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I have to agree with Ghost. We had a shutdown corner last year, but no running back, and where did that get us? Now we have a decent replacement and a great running back.
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Old 04-27-2004, 01:16 AM   #24
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The FO believed Champ was going to hold out if we kept him. That's why it was no-win. So we had to deal him for the best we could get. Other teams knew this, so we had to make an offer that mattered. We got lucky that Portis wanted out and Denver was confident he could be replaced (they've had so many good runners, etc). So we moved Champ, picked up Portis, and cleared some cap room in the process. For this privledge, we had to give up something of value, viz, a second round pick.

Here's the real question: Was there a BETTER deal out there for Champ? I have not heard it. The Lions decided to keep their picks (a very smart move) and I haven't heard of any other legit offers. It was deal Champ or deal with a hold out. Seems like a pretty good deal, IMHO.
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Old 04-27-2004, 01:51 AM   #25
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Who was in the second round that was better than Portis? Tatum Bell?!?!? What has he done? Portis is proven in the NFL. Who knows what Tatum Bell will do in the NFL, he could be the next best thing, or he could be a flop. I like the fact that we do not have to worry what Portis can or can not do, we already know.
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Old 04-27-2004, 07:19 AM   #26
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Nobody gives any respect to the abilities of Fred Smoot. Bailey was not coming back, franchise tag or not he was GONE. We got a dominant RB for Gibbs offense, running behind what will be a strong O-line. But dont count our secondary out, I truley beleive Smoot is the real deal, and then you put in Springs, and now Taylor. I say Chump WHO?
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Old 04-27-2004, 10:06 AM   #27
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More hating from Winslow/Postons

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/plai...5459201294.xml





One of the Postons claims that Gibbs won't sleep well since he didn't draft Winslow. I can't wait to see Taylor lay a big hit on Winslow.
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Old 04-27-2004, 10:24 AM   #28
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While I wanted our second round pick as much as anyone else, I still feel better about the trade when we think of it in terms of trading a 2nd rounder for Clinton Portis. I also agree that Bailey wanted no part of the Redskins anyway. He would have been a distraction, and it's better to let a player go who doesn't want to be a member of this team.

Somebody made an excellent point a while back when the whole thing went down, I think it was Brudlee: There's a good possibility that we will get more interceptions since the ball will be thrown more at both sides of the field. While Champ was shutting down a receiver, he almost never got INTs because the ball wasn't going anywhere near him. With Smoot, Springs, and Taylor, our turnover ratio should improve.

One final thought: We had Champ Bailey and his 'shutdown' game for four years. What did it get us? How many championships did we get because of him? Answer: NONE.
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Old 04-27-2004, 11:41 AM   #29
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That sounds like me.

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Old 04-27-2004, 04:41 PM   #30
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Well, maybe this will help everyone "sleep better at night". Gregg Easterbrook, the Tuesday Morning Quarterback, gave the PDBIPs (Potomac Drainage Basin Indigenous Persons) an A-! Yes!!!

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/7286047

But then again, read the article and take it in context. Actually, I think it's pretty damn funny.

And shockingly enough, Dr. Z on CNNSI gave us no love at all. Nada. I think he should just cover the other 31 teams and leave us the hell alone. The way I read his stuff, you'd think we were the aught's version of "America's Team". Man-O-Man.... I used to love to hate that team in the 70's and 80's and 90's and yesterday and today and tomorrow...
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