Offensive Coordinator

TheMalcolmConnection · 01-11-2006, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by offiss

I believe the problem we are running into right now is the Eagles showed teams how to attack on defense, and that's to take away Moss, and Cooley, and don't worry about anyone else, because Brunell will first look Moss, if he's not there he goes right to Cooley, then throws it away. Brunell needs to get our other WR's involved, and involved early. I believe he has to make the defense account for either Jacobs, or Thrash, that should thin out the coverage some on either Moss, or Cooley.

I agree. If anything I liked about Ramsey he would look for the OPEN MAN. I realize plays are designed for Moss or Cooley, but if he doesn't find either of them open, he throws it away.

Mattyk · 01-11-2006, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

Then that isn't a problem with the offensive philosophy as what some here claim everytime we don't score more than 21 points. That to me just says that we need another deep threat receiver to compliment Moss. One more deep threat receiver can make all the difference in the world. If we go with another offensive coordinator (which tells me people are still not sold on Joe Gibbs which is ignorant in my opinion) then you still just have Moss, Cooley, and Portis. Like it or not, this is Redskins football and this is what has made Joe Gibbs' teams champions in the past and what has them in the second round of the playoffs now. We've seen proof that the system works. I believe this is just a knee jerk reaction. Just like several weeks ago when people wanted Gregg Williams to leave Washington after the defense looked as if it was folding under. Now, it's the samething with Joe Gibbs or Don Breaux.

Have faith in this team. Even if we don't get passed the Seahawks this weekend, you can't deny Gibbs and company have done all the right things to get us to this point.

I agree. Saying we need a new coordinator at this point in the season really seems like a knee jerk reaction, especially considering the level of success this offense has reached this year.

Is the offense all the way there yet? No, definitely not. But we're certainly on our way, and bringing in a new coordinator at this point seems pretty unnecessary.

EternalEnigma21 · 01-11-2006, 08:49 AM

Brunell throwing the ball away, probably sealed up that win in TB. All he had to do was limit turnovers. He did. We won. We DEFINATELY need some complimentary recievers, if we ever want to win a championship game. We could probably get there without them, but to win we need them. Just look at what NE did to the Colt's offense last year. Everyone who played on their offense went to the pro-bowl. 3 recievers with 1000+ yards and 10 TD's apiece... and they go to NE and get held to 3 pts? You gotta be ready to face better D's than Tampa and walk away with some time of possession (at least) and no TO's.

FRPLG · 01-11-2006, 09:06 AM

What the heck would an OC do? You think Gibbs is gonna bring is someone who is going to make wholesale changes to the offense? Gibbs has philosophy about offense. That philosophy worked pretty darn well back in the day and he has updated it to fit today's game with good results this year. I just don't see what an OC would do that would be a benefit. A new system is not what is needed. Some health and another WR who can get open is what is needed.

And I wouldn't say the problem is that Brunell only looks 2 places. The problem is that we have no one who can consistently get open other than Moss and Cooley. I went to every home game this year and sat in the nose bleeds. I got a good look from above on how our WRs do. In the first part of the year when everything wasn't clicking very well the WRs were the only thing getting the job done. Moss was consistently open and Patten required almost as much coverage. Patten didn't catch a lot of balls but he absolutely changed what our WRs as a group could do and how teams played in the secondary. When he went down it killed Moss and no one else could get open like Patten. He was a big loss. I think the biggest goat on our offense has to be Taylor Jacobs. Everyone talked about how this guy could be a good WR but he did not nothing to help the passing game even in an indirect way like Patten was able to. We need an upgrade at the 3rd WR next year just in case we see another injury. Maybe a healthy Thrash can get the job done but I think he probably still somewhat hobbled.

Mattyk · 01-11-2006, 09:08 AM

I too think Patten made a big difference. He wasn't doing alot stat wise, but teams had to respect him.

irish · 01-11-2006, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor

I think that the Redskins would be a better offensive football team if we had an offensive coordinator to help Gibbs come back to being a genius at calling offensive plays. We desperately need an OC if we ever want to compete for a championship in the near future.

Last time I checked the Skins are competing for a championship now.

FRPLG · 01-11-2006, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by irish

Last time I checked the Skins are competing for a championship now.

Good point.

celts32 · 01-11-2006, 09:42 AM

This is absurd...we get mad when we see the national media over react to one poor offensive performance and then we go and do the same "what's wrong" thread here. They were scoring over 30 points a game a couple weeks ago...

Joe Gibbs does not need an offensive coordinator unless he says he does.

Mattyk · 01-11-2006, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by irish

Last time I checked the Skins are competing for a championship now.

end of discussion.

BrudLee · 01-11-2006, 09:50 AM

There are 24 teams in this league who need to figure out what they should do for next year. We are one of the teams that needs to figure out what to do this week.

Daseal · 01-11-2006, 10:00 AM

When I watched the Dallas game I saw Jacobs wide open quite a few times and no one even looked his way. We NEED to spread the ball around a bit more. Even if we dont break huge plays with these other players it keeps the defense honest.

Skinsguy -- I'd LOVE to see where people wanted to can Williams. Please post a thread.

Mattyk · 01-11-2006, 10:02 AM

I believe sooner or later Patten would have broken through with some big games for us. It was inevitable with the way Moss was playing things would have opened up for him.

As for Jacobs, I've had his back for quite a while now but I'm on the edge with him now. I really didn't like the way he went after the ball on that INT last week, a very weak effort if you ask me. Coaches have said he's amazing in practice but he hasn't been able to translate that to the game for whatever reason. He couldn't even hold the job over Thrash. I don't think it's looking very good for him headed into the offseason.

gibbs4life · 01-11-2006, 10:05 AM

we just need another santana on the other side.a few more good groceries will work thats for sure. all they need to do now is fine tune and free up some money for more players like some bookends on defense.
i like what u,m seeing from this team and besides we did play the #1 defense last saturday didn,t we.

Daseal · 01-11-2006, 10:07 AM

Matty, I thought that about that play at first too, then they showed another picture and that INT was squarely on Brunell. I simply don't understand why we dont even ATTEMPT to get Jacobs the ball. We average throwing towards him like once a game, if that.

hurrykaine · 01-11-2006, 10:09 AM

We may want to revisit this discussion in a week or so. If we win again, hold off until the next week.

The reason the offense sucked against Philly was because Brunell wasn't healthy and didn't get a whole lot of practice in the week before. He didn't admit it after the Philly game (would be a strategic mistake to let the TB defense smell blood), but he's admitted it now. Against TB, he was healthier, but this week, he's completely healthy - I believe the results will show on the field against Seattle.

Our offense has made enormous strides compared to last year. Even outside of Portis' and Moss' stellar stats for the year, we have big play ability, and most importantly, our red zone efficiency (in the second half of the season) is startling. I think the red zone efficiency has been the biggest source of improvement since it directly leads to 7 points. Portis, Sellers, Cooley, and of course Brunell have been key in improving that efficiency.

I would tend to agree with those who say that its not the offensive system that needs to be revamped, but some of the personnel. A solid run blocking left guard, and a fast big man receiver, and we'd be set on offense, I think.

01-11-2006, 08:49 AM	#18
EternalEnigma21 Assistant Regional Mod Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Warrenton VA Age: 33 Posts: 2,953	Re: Offensive Coordinator Brunell throwing the ball away, probably sealed up that win in TB. All he had to do was limit turnovers. He did. We won. We DEFINATELY need some complimentary recievers, if we ever want to win a championship game. We could probably get there without them, but to win we need them. Just look at what NE did to the Colt's offense last year. Everyone who played on their offense went to the pro-bowl. 3 recievers with 1000+ yards and 10 TD's apiece... and they go to NE and get held to 3 pts? You gotta be ready to face better D's than Tampa and walk away with some time of possession (at least) and no TO's. __________________ Need electrical work in the Northern VA, or Shenandoah Valley? Click here ...and why do we still have a Tom Tupa avatar???

01-11-2006, 09:06 AM	#19
FRPLG Franchise Player Join Date: May 2004 Age: 34 Posts: 9,232	Re: Offensive Coordinator What the heck would an OC do? You think Gibbs is gonna bring is someone who is going to make wholesale changes to the offense? Gibbs has philosophy about offense. That philosophy worked pretty darn well back in the day and he has updated it to fit today's game with good results this year. I just don't see what an OC would do that would be a benefit. A new system is not what is needed. Some health and another WR who can get open is what is needed. And I wouldn't say the problem is that Brunell only looks 2 places. The problem is that we have no one who can consistently get open other than Moss and Cooley. I went to every home game this year and sat in the nose bleeds. I got a good look from above on how our WRs do. In the first part of the year when everything wasn't clicking very well the WRs were the only thing getting the job done. Moss was consistently open and Patten required almost as much coverage. Patten didn't catch a lot of balls but he absolutely changed what our WRs as a group could do and how teams played in the secondary. When he went down it killed Moss and no one else could get open like Patten. He was a big loss. I think the biggest goat on our offense has to be Taylor Jacobs. Everyone talked about how this guy could be a good WR but he did not nothing to help the passing game even in an indirect way like Patten was able to. We need an upgrade at the 3rd WR next year just in case we see another injury. Maybe a healthy Thrash can get the job done but I think he probably still somewhat hobbled.

01-11-2006, 09:08 AM	#20
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,656	Re: Offensive Coordinator I too think Patten made a big difference. He wasn't doing alot stat wise, but teams had to respect him. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

01-11-2006, 09:42 AM	#23
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 41 Posts: 2,643	Re: Offensive Coordinator This is absurd...we get mad when we see the national media over react to one poor offensive performance and then we go and do the same "what's wrong" thread here. They were scoring over 30 points a game a couple weeks ago... Joe Gibbs does not need an offensive coordinator unless he says he does. __________________ Section 115 Row 23 “Goal line, goal line. I-left, tight wing, 70 chip on white.” http://victorybeer.com/

01-11-2006, 09:50 AM	#25
BrudLee Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Rehoboth Beach, DE Posts: 3,494	Re: Offensive Coordinator There are 24 teams in this league who need to figure out what they should do for next year. We are one of the teams that needs to figure out what to do this week. __________________ There's nowhere to go but up. Or down. I guess we could stay where we are, too.

01-11-2006, 10:00 AM	#26
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 30 Posts: 8,057	Re: Offensive Coordinator When I watched the Dallas game I saw Jacobs wide open quite a few times and no one even looked his way. We NEED to spread the ball around a bit more. Even if we dont break huge plays with these other players it keeps the defense honest. Skinsguy -- I'd LOVE to see where people wanted to can Williams. Please post a thread. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

01-11-2006, 10:02 AM	#27
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,656	Re: Offensive Coordinator I believe sooner or later Patten would have broken through with some big games for us. It was inevitable with the way Moss was playing things would have opened up for him. As for Jacobs, I've had his back for quite a while now but I'm on the edge with him now. I really didn't like the way he went after the ball on that INT last week, a very weak effort if you ask me. Coaches have said he's amazing in practice but he hasn't been able to translate that to the game for whatever reason. He couldn't even hold the job over Thrash. I don't think it's looking very good for him headed into the offseason. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

01-11-2006, 10:05 AM	#28
gibbs4life Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: chocowinity nc Age: 43 Posts: 282	Re: Offensive Coordinator we just need another santana on the other side.a few more good groceries will work thats for sure. all they need to do now is fine tune and free up some money for more players like some bookends on defense. i like what u,m seeing from this team and besides we did play the #1 defense last saturday didn,t we. __________________ with the sixth pick dan synder selects......daniel synder ...to find someone that will be a better fit for the front office..

01-11-2006, 10:07 AM	#29
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 30 Posts: 8,057	Re: Offensive Coordinator Matty, I thought that about that play at first too, then they showed another picture and that INT was squarely on Brunell. I simply don't understand why we dont even ATTEMPT to get Jacobs the ball. We average throwing towards him like once a game, if that. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

01-11-2006, 10:09 AM	#30
hurrykaine Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Washington, D.C. Age: 39 Posts: 762	Re: Offensive Coordinator We may want to revisit this discussion in a week or so. If we win again, hold off until the next week. The reason the offense sucked against Philly was because Brunell wasn't healthy and didn't get a whole lot of practice in the week before. He didn't admit it after the Philly game (would be a strategic mistake to let the TB defense smell blood), but he's admitted it now. Against TB, he was healthier, but this week, he's completely healthy - I believe the results will show on the field against Seattle. Our offense has made enormous strides compared to last year. Even outside of Portis' and Moss' stellar stats for the year, we have big play ability, and most importantly, our red zone efficiency (in the second half of the season) is startling. I think the red zone efficiency has been the biggest source of improvement since it directly leads to 7 points. Portis, Sellers, Cooley, and of course Brunell have been key in improving that efficiency. I would tend to agree with those who say that its not the offensive system that needs to be revamped, but some of the personnel. A solid run blocking left guard, and a fast big man receiver, and we'd be set on offense, I think.

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