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Old 01-11-2006, 09:51 AM   #31
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It amazes me sometimes about how we can be homers to the core. If Roy Williams had done this to Ladell Betts, we would be calling for a huge fine and a 2 game suspension.

There is simply no defending ST on this. He was lucky that there has been no precedent of a spitting related suspension.

That said, spitting is more common in international club soccer and rugby and wouldn't be considered as egregious as kicking someone in the family jewels. Funny how in football its the complete opposite - the game is centered around hitting and tackling, but if god forbid, someone spits, its against the spirit of the game, and a vile disgusting act.
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Old 01-11-2006, 09:54 AM   #32
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great video there.it only proves that he did indeed spit but i,m like you pittman shoul have been penalized for the slap but it is what it is.

just glad he will play on saturday.
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Old 01-11-2006, 09:56 AM   #33
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I think that the ref's are out to get us and they have been doctoring up this film for the past couple of days. The video is called Taylor Edit 29 which it took 29 time to edit the spit just so it looked like he was spitting.
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Old 01-11-2006, 09:56 AM   #34
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Unbelievable. Guess what Matty, your personal beliefs regarding spitting vs punching are very inconsistent with UNITED STATES LAW. You punch someone, that's Assault & Battery. You spit on someone, that's Assault.

Get off your high horse, man. It's ridiculous. Your respect for somebody should have NOTHING to do with how punishments are levied. Nor should Mike Carey's respect. Punishments should not be decided by the amount of respect lost by the self-righteous.
I'm sure you're well aware that what happens on a football field is FAR different from what happens on the street.

Otherwise guys would be getting arrested left and right.

Sorry if I'm on a high horse to you, I simply think spitting is a more heinous act than throwing a punch, and alot of people in the NFL seem to agree.

You don't hear about guys getting fined $17,500 for throwing a punch, do you?? I wonder why.
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Old 01-11-2006, 09:59 AM   #35
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It amazes me sometimes about how we can be homers to the core. If Roy Williams had done this to Ladell Betts, we would be calling for a huge fine and a 2 game suspension.
Oh man, I could only imagine what people would be saying if the roles were reversed. We'd be ready to march on the NFL offices in NY. I agree, people who don't see anything wrong with what Taylor did are straight up blind homers.
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Old 01-11-2006, 10:02 AM   #36
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It amazes me sometimes about how we can be homers to the core. If Roy Williams had done this to Ladell Betts, we would be calling for a huge fine and a 2 game suspension.

There is simply no defending ST on this. He was lucky that there has been no precedent of a spitting related suspension.

That said, spitting is more common in international club soccer and rugby and wouldn't be considered as egregious as kicking someone in the family jewels. Funny how in football its the complete opposite - the game is centered around hitting and tackling, but if god forbid, someone spits, its against the spirit of the game, and a vile disgusting act.

the NFL tries to keep the game family friendly. That's why they panned away from ST dry-humping bettis last year... why they fined saleve'a for lifting the leg... etc...

As far as being a homer... you better believe it. Life is not fair by a long stretch. If you're a part of a team, or a fan, you should support the members of that team. (unless of course it's something that goes against your own morals and personal standards, which I can completely understand).

Furthermore, we're here as fans, and not judges, who have to make objective decisions based only on evidence. I say, that that video is inadmissable due to the fact that it wasn't listed in discovery.
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I'm sure you're well aware that what happens on a football field is FAR different from what happens on the street.

Otherwise guys would be getting arrested left and right.

Sorry if I'm on a high horse to you, I simply think spitting is a more heinous act than throwing a punch, and alot of people in the NFL seem to agree.

You don't hear about guys getting fined $17,500 for throwing a punch, do you?? I wonder why.
I couldn't care less about the fine, the fine means nothing to me. $17,000 to Sean Taylor is nothing, and if the NFL really thought the act was so heinous, they would have fined Taylor more, not less, than they fined Clinton Portis for wearing the wrong socks, for crying out loud.

And I realize that the NFL is a different world, a world where hitting is part of the game. The thing we really should be asking ourselves is why don't the refs throw a flag everytime someone throws a punch? A lot of the time, the refs just break up the action and don't throw flags. Why? Because they don't want to tip the competitive balance of a game. So why should spitting be treated any different? Why would you eject a player for spitting, thus influencing one team's ability to compete? What is the basis for this judgment? It's an emotional reaction, specifically the emotion of disgust. If you're letting emotions rule your judgments, you are by definition not being fair.
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Oh man, I could only imagine what people would be saying if the roles were reversed. We'd be ready to march on the NFL offices in NY. I agree, people who don't see anything wrong with what Taylor did are straight up blind homers.
I don't think a soul has said that Taylor's act wasn't wrong. I think people have questioned what is more wrong, hitting or spitting. And as an extension, they've questioned the rash judgment handed down by Carey in the heat of the moment.

I'd make the same argument for any player, because I for one, do not allow my emotions to dictate my judgments.
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I couldn't care less about the fine, the fine means nothing to me. $17,000 to Sean Taylor is nothing, and if the NFL really thought the act was so heinous, they would have fined Taylor more, not less, than they fined Clinton Portis for wearing the wrong socks, for crying out loud.

And I realize that the NFL is a different world, a world where hitting is part of the game. The thing we really should be asking ourselves is why don't the refs throw a flag everytime someone throws a punch? A lot of the time, the refs just break up the action and don't throw flags. Why? Because they don't want to tip the competitive balance of a game. So why should spitting be treated any different? Why would you eject a player for spitting, thus influencing one team's ability to compete? What is the basis for this judgment? It's an emotional reaction, specifically the emotion of disgust. If you're letting emotions rule your judgments, you are by definition not being fair.
Fines aren't levied for punches because they are a more understandable element of the game than spitting. It's understood that players may lose their cool and throw a punch, but it's not acceptable to spit. It's a social norm in the NFL I guess.

Just curious, if the roles were reversed, if Pittman spit at Taylor, would you have the same exact opinion of the incident?? I'm sure you'll say yes for the sake of supporting your "unemotional views", but I'm inclined to think you wouldn't have the same view.
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Schneed, I think you're right. In a playoff game, did a spitting incident actually merit the ejection even if there was retaliation? It was an emotional based judgement call. I mean they got the first on fourth and long... and they picked up 15 yards which is huge in a tight playoff game. Taylor also got jacked in the mouth. Then to eject him with nothing happening to pittman is not an objective and reasonable assessment of the situation no matter how you look at it.

If the situation was reversed I'd say, "hell spit on us all of the time if we can get away with murder after a guy spits, and get a hell of an advantage on the drive and throughout the game!:
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Old 01-11-2006, 10:10 AM   #41
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Unbelievable. Guess what Matty, your personal beliefs regarding spitting vs punching are very inconsistent with UNITED STATES LAW. You punch someone, that's Assault & Battery. You spit on someone, that's Assault.
OK, actually, that's wrong. Spitting on someone is battery. Creating the reasonable apprehension in someone that you are going to spit on them is assault.
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OK, actually, that's wrong. Spitting on someone is battery. Creating the reasonable apprehension in someone that you are going to spit on them is assault.
And here come the lefties LOL
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Old 01-11-2006, 10:13 AM   #43
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I can't believe people are still talking about this. I'm focused on one thing at this point, and that is the Seahawks. HTTR
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OK, actually, that's wrong. Spitting on someone is battery. Creating the reasonable apprehension in someone that you are going to spit on them is assault.
You are correct sir, nice call!

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A battery is the willful or intentional touching of a person against that personís will by another person, or by an object or substance put in motion by that other person. Please note that an offensive touching can constitute a battery even if it does not cause injury, and could not reasonably be expected to cause injury. A defendant who emphatically pokes the plaintiff in the chest with his index finger to emphasize a point may be culpable for battery (although the damages award that results may well be nominal). A defendant who spits on a plaintiff, even though there is little chance that the spitting will cause any injury other than to the plaintiff's dignity, has committed a battery.
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