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Old 01-11-2006, 10:43 AM   #61
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Schneed, did you go to law go school?
No I didn't. I just had a couple law classes through grad school, but they focused more on contract law. I always thought spitting did not classify as battery, so I was wrong on that one. But it doesn't really change my stance, since the definition Matty posted indicates that Spitting is seen as equivalent to Punching. They should be treated the same in football too.

I just mean to say, in this entire thread, that Taylor should not have been ejected. Spitting is wrong, but not more so than throwing a punch.
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Old 01-11-2006, 10:43 AM   #62
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Maybe the fine was only 17,000 because Taylor got jacked in the side of the head and there was no penalty for that and that off set some of the fine.
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Old 01-11-2006, 10:46 AM   #63
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Maybe the fine was only 17,000 because Taylor got jacked in the side of the head and there was no penalty for that and that off set some of the fine.
I think there is some truth to this. Portis got fined $20K for wearing the wrong socks, I think that says everything.
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Old 01-11-2006, 10:52 AM   #64
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I didn't get my feelings hurt, if that's what you're implying. It's not an emotional issue for me, but because you have shown a tendency to be judgmental in this thread, I think it speaks to why you can't look at the spitting situation objectively, and I think it affects your credibility a bit.
My view that spitting is a more heinous act than throwing a punch is my objective opinion. I thought the same exact way when Romo did it, and I feel the same way now that one of our guys is guilty of the same thing. Despite what you may think my opinion is not based on emotion and I don't see how I'm passing judgement by holding this opinion. You're telling me my view is ridiculous and based on emotion, so who's the one passing judgement??

You feel that spitting and punching should be treated the same... despite the fact a few people have layed out a couple of good posts as to why they aren't treated the same way in our society. It's not the black and white issue that you want it to be and frankly I'm surprised you seem to have such a narrow view of things, considering how open minded you usually are.
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Old 01-11-2006, 10:54 AM   #65
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I think there is some truth to this. Portis got fined $20K for wearing the wrong socks, I think that says everything.
As I posted elsewhere, I don't think that it necessarily does say it all:
My understanding with CP is that it was an escalating fine - the first violation had a low fine, the second was $20k, and, if he had done it a third time, he was going to get suspended. I'm not saying that "ticky-tack" stuff should get the same merit as spitting but, rather, that, repeat violations will always get more attention than first time violations.

Somebody responded that Taylor spit on TJ Houshmanzadeh previously, so that could kill my theory, but I don't think the CP $20k fine can be looked at in a vacuum.
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Old 01-11-2006, 10:56 AM   #66
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When I was watching the game I didn't hear Mike Carey say all those things. I did not hear him say that Sean Taylor was ejected for spitting, I also didn't hear him say anything about pittman is not going to be penalized for retaliation. I have the game on dvd and there is no audio on the ref when he made those calls. The booth even kept saying over and over that the refs made a mistake for throwing Taylor out, meaning they didnt hear the call either. Its weird seeing this video with actual audio on it, because it was definitely not heard at all during the game. I also did not see Taylor fighting the penalty and Carey was right on the spot so I just assumed he saw something more than I could from home. Go skins....get ready to post those beer counts again....
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Old 01-11-2006, 11:11 AM   #67
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Personally I thought an ejection for spitting at another player was appropriate.
To be perfectly honest, if that was Roy Williams spitting on Clinton Portis I'd say he deserved to be suspended for 2 games so the same should go for Taylor. Absolutely disgusting. That is NOT a Gibbs-type player. I don't care how talented he is, that is just absolutely classless. To boot, he lied to Gibbs, Williams and his teammates about it.
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Old 01-11-2006, 11:12 AM   #68
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My view that spitting is a more heinous act than throwing a punch is my objective opinion. I thought the same exact way when Romo did it, and I feel the same way now that one of our guys is guilty of the same thing. Despite what you may think my opinion is not based on emotion and I don't see how I'm passing judgement by holding this opinion. You're telling me my view is ridiculous and based on emotion, so who's the one passing judgement??

You feel that spitting and punching should be treated the same... despite the fact a few people have layed out a couple of good posts as to why they aren't treated the same way in our society. It's not the black and white issue that you want it to be and frankly I'm surprised you seem to have such a narrow view of things, considering how open minded you usually are.
I guess you touched on the fundamental difference in our arguments, it's probably the difference that is at the heart of our disagreement.

I personally don't feel that society's unspoken rules should have any place on the football field, or in the courtroom. These unspoken rules are usually driven by the way people feel about things. If people could rationalize these feelings, these rules would not need to go unspoken, they could be written down as laws or as rules in the NFL rulebook. But people have a hard time rationalizing why these unspoken rules are in place, and thus, remain as unwritten social norms and mores.

You seem to feel like these rules are applicable. I personally can't understand how applying rules based on feelings is objective, but this is the kind of thing we're never going to agree on, so we might as well agree to disagree. We'll never get anywhere with a fundamental disagreement like this one. It may have gotten animated, but you should know that I enjoyed the discussion because I found it stimulating.

Luckily, Taylor's ejection did not hurt the Redskins since they still won, and ultimately the team is what I care about most, and I think you will agree with me on that one. No matter how gross that loogie was, we've both said we still want him on the Skins, despite that act. And I guess that's the only common ground we can come to on a dispute like this. But luckily, it's the common ground that really matters.
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Old 01-11-2006, 11:17 AM   #69
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Now that we are actually citing US law I think we can officially call this the biggest "I have nothing better to do" thread ever. That's not a jab at anyone in particular but everyone who has participated so stridently (very much including me) and more a reflection of that whole discussion in general. I am officially done with this one. I think we have WAY over-reacted.

Lets agree to drop it and move on to worrying about the Seahags. Go Skins!
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Old 01-11-2006, 11:20 AM   #70
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Lying to Coach Williams is more a aggregious penalty than spitting on Pittman IMO. Good thing Sean Taylor is the best football player in the NFL. If OJ can get away with murder, ST can get away with spitting on a wife beater.
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Old 01-11-2006, 11:22 AM   #71
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It would be fine to argue that the league should not have "unsportsmanlike conduct" penalties and therefore the spitting incident should not have been punished. That would be fine, although I would disagree with it. But, you cannot honestly be saying that spitting on another player doesn't constitute "unsportsmanlike conduct." It's a rule that is in the NFL rulebook and I think for good reason. I don't want to see the NFL turn into another classless sport.

BTW-I also agree with the uniform fines as I think teams should be UNIFORM, not a bunch of idiots wearing similar color schemes but dressed in their own clothes.
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Old 01-11-2006, 11:22 AM   #72
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I don't know why people are blowing this so out of proportion. Taylor is an Asshole. O well, he still a great player, and makes a huge difference for us. Sometimes you need a nasty asshole on your team to itimidate the other team

I'm still a Sean Taylor fan
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Old 01-11-2006, 11:23 AM   #73
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I guess you touched on the fundamental difference in our arguments, it's probably the difference that is at the heart of our disagreement.

I personally don't feel that society's unspoken rules should have any place on the football field, or in the courtroom. These unspoken rules are usually driven by the way people feel about things. If people could rationalize these feelings, these rules would not need to go unspoken, they could be written down as laws or as rules in the NFL rulebook. But people have a hard time rationalizing why these unspoken rules are in place, and thus, remain as unwritten social norms and mores.

You seem to feel like these rules are applicable. I personally can't understand how applying rules based on feelings is objective, but this is the kind of thing we're never going to agree on, so we might as well agree to disagree. We'll never get anywhere with a fundamental disagreement like this one. It may have gotten animated, but you should know that I enjoyed the discussion because I found it stimulating.

Luckily, Taylor's ejection did not hurt the Redskins since they still won, and ultimately the team is what I care about most, and I think you will agree with me on that one. No matter how gross that loogie was, we've both said we still want him on the Skins, despite that act. And I guess that's the only common ground we can come to on a dispute like this. But luckily, it's the common ground that really matters.
Let's save the discussion of the need and importance of social norms for another day.

At least we got to the heart of the matter while staying relatively civil.

I still think you're a homer!

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Old 01-11-2006, 11:26 AM   #74
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Schneed,

It would be fine to argue that the league should not have "unsportsmanlike conduct" penalties and therefore the spitting incident should not have been punished. That would be fine, although I would disagree with it. But, you cannot honestly be saying that spitting on another player doesn't constitute "unsportsmanlike conduct." It's a rule that is in the NFL rulebook and I think for good reason. I don't want to see the NFL turn into another classless sport.

BTW-I also agree with the uniform fines as I think teams should be UNIFORM, not a bunch of idiots wearing similar color schemes but dressed in their own clothes.
Yeah definitely. Spitting should be flagged 15 yards for unsportsmanlike.
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I don't know why people are blowing this so out of proportion. Taylor is an Asshole. O well, he still a great player, and makes a huge difference for us. Sometimes you need a nasty asshole on your team to itimidate the other team

I'm still a Sean Taylor fan
I agree you need a nasty jerk in the backfield on defense. But, not one who gives the other team a 1st down when they were 4th and 15 or who gets ejected in a playoff game.
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