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Old 01-15-2006, 12:45 AM   #61
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Re: The Offense Was Too Conservative

I just want to say I am extremely proud to be a REDSKIN fan!! Most were counting us out when we were 5-6. (I had my doubts too) The bottom line is we had a hell of a ride and we went farther than most thought. We didn't have to back our way in the playoffs we earned it by winning our last five games and showing everyone that the SKINS are for real and you must respect us. To go from being 6-10 one year to making it to the divisional playoff game the next is outstanding. I can't wait until next year, I believe Gibbs and company will evaluate things and make some key changes and we will be even better next year.
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Old 01-15-2006, 01:16 AM   #62
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Re: The Offense Was Too Conservative

Pass protection has been a problem too. Everybody, including Jansen, was getting beaten over the last two games. Someone broke through the line and was in Brunell's face on nearly every passing play. Add this to the fact that there are really only two legitimate receiving threats, and you've got the portrait of an offense that's running on fumes.

Samuels being nicked up and Thomas out of the lineup clearly had a huge impact on the offense as a whole.

I don't necessarily fault the playcalling as much as I think the gameplan could have been tweaked just a little to adapt to what was happening around them. For instance, Clinton Portis, though banged up himself, should have been included more in the passing aspects of the game. He and Betts might have been able to give us a new dimension that was lacking once the #2 and #3 receivers disappeared.

As far as Brunell goes, give him an offensive line and two more receiving threats and he'll be fine. He's smart, knows the system, and can avoid trouble with his feet. Maybe not like he used to, but clearly better than Patrick Ramsey has demonstrated. I think he'll be back in the starting spot for the '06 season.
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Old 01-15-2006, 07:26 AM   #63
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Re: The Offense Was Too Conservative

I dont want to stifle debate but this thread is not just ill timed it is ill concieved and borring.

People like Ramseyfan & Offiss are all to keen to come out of the woodwork and bitch and whine when we loose making them look like geniuses because they would have done things so much differently and we would never loose a freaking game . Its just attention seeking.

Can we not just enjoy the fact we got to the divisional round of the playoffs when so many were predicting doom and gloom last offseason (Dr Zs 4-12 prediction comes instantly to mind). There will be plenty of time to air your whiney ass oppinions between now and next season . Don't get me wrong I don't want to stifle debate and I don't think everything Gibbs and co do are flawless we can clearly do better there are still two games to play and we came up short but just for a moment can we not just stop and as many posters have done congratule the team for thier accomplishments this year .

Thats my thoughts I know they are going to offend but I dont meen offence I am just sick of this kind of posting and I am sure I am not alone
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Old 01-15-2006, 07:48 AM   #64
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I really don't understand all this talk of Brunell not being able to go a whole season. Unless I'm mistaken he played 18 games this year and the only problem he had was when he took a shot to the knee in the Giants game, that can happen to any QB. I wish people would get off his back, we're lucky to have him.
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Old 01-15-2006, 12:25 PM   #65
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Re: The Offense Was Too Conservative

Our offense faltered after we lost Randy Thomas and Portis and Brunnell got injured. 'Nuff said.
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Old 01-15-2006, 01:28 PM   #66
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Re: The Offense Was Too Conservative

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Our offense faltered after we lost Randy Thomas and Portis and Brunnell got injured. 'Nuff said.

That seems correct to me--also, Samuels had a knee, Jansen had a thumb, etc. Plus, we were on the road for the last 3 games--that is VERY tough to do in the NFL.

Thomas goes down, the run game falters, that affects everything Gibbs wants to do on offense, and you saw the results. What's encouraging to me--and ignored by pundits like Sally I-love-NY Jenkins--is that we still won in philly and TB, and almost won in Seattle.

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Old 01-15-2006, 02:12 PM   #67
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We were pinned deep in our end most of the first quarter. I was sitting in that end and it was very loud. It's no joke how loud it is there. I'll admit it, it was the loudest stadium or crowd I have been in.
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Old 01-15-2006, 02:31 PM   #68
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I guess I don't understand why we're calling for heads to roll when we closed out the regular season with the #12-ranked offense in the league, a 3000 yard passer, a 1500 yard rusher, the #2-ranked WR in the league, and two H-Backs with 7 TD's each. Not to mention breaking several team offensive records.

Two underwhelming showings in the playoffs from a fatigued and gimpy team don't make me question the offense, they make me question our depth.

Totally agree on Hall and the kicking game though. Frost was pretty decent today but has not been terribly reliable this year.
Who's calling for heads to roll?
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Old 01-15-2006, 02:34 PM   #69
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I dont want to stifle debate but this thread is not just ill timed it is ill concieved and borring.

People like Ramseyfan & Offiss are all to keen to come out of the woodwork and bitch and whine when we loose making them look like geniuses because they would have done things so much differently and we would never loose a freaking game . Its just attention seeking.

Can we not just enjoy the fact we got to the divisional round of the playoffs when so many were predicting doom and gloom last offseason (Dr Zs 4-12 prediction comes instantly to mind). There will be plenty of time to air your whiney ass oppinions between now and next season . Don't get me wrong I don't want to stifle debate and I don't think everything Gibbs and co do are flawless we can clearly do better there are still two games to play and we came up short but just for a moment can we not just stop and as many posters have done congratule the team for thier accomplishments this year .

Thats my thoughts I know they are going to offend but I dont meen offence I am just sick of this kind of posting and I am sure I am not alone
Apparently, people forget that I was one of the sole people saying when we were 5-5 and 5-6 that we were a good team (when 99% of the people here said we were average or mediocre). Apparently, people forget that I have also praised Gibbs and Co. to nth degree. Apparently, people forget that I have said what a fantastic season this was. Apparently, some people know how to write, but not how to read. No offense.
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Old 01-15-2006, 02:48 PM   #70
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Re: The Offense Was Too Conservative

the offense went down right after randy thomas did. the line is the heart of the offense and they haven't been right sinse he went down.
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Old 01-15-2006, 02:58 PM   #71
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You can talk about the team, just don't say something someone else doesn't want to hear, that's all.

Put on your cheerleader outfit and grab your pom pom's and tell everyone how great we were today. That should make a lot of people happy.
Damn right offiss you hit the nail right on the head!!!!!
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Old 01-15-2006, 03:00 PM   #72
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Damn right offiss you hit the nail right on the head!!!!!
I'm glad to see that some people have the cojones to defend my post after I got the blasted the way I did.
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Old 01-15-2006, 03:26 PM   #73
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Re: The Offense Was Too Conservative

Since people have pegged me as the "pessimist," I suggest you read some of my posts from earlier in the season when we weren't winning.

I note how people were overreacting to Loss
http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=9275 ((Merged Thread) Overreacting to a loss)

I defended Gibbs playcalling after the loss to the Chargers
http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread...5&page=3&pp=10 (Play Calling)

I told people not to give up on the team
http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=9273 (I'm Done Watching The Skins This Year)

I defended Gibbs W-L record
http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=9329 (Joe Gibbs is the man)

I defended the team, raising the strength of schedule
http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=9425 (Redskins' Strength of Schedule: We Are A Decent Team)

Before I get labelled as purely, an attention-seeking MF'er, please do your homework.
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Old 01-15-2006, 03:47 PM   #74
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Re: The Offense Was Too Conservative

We need another WR. Our passing offfense is really bad. Not these two games. but the last 12. THe passing offense is bad. We only get 91% of the yards the opposing defenses give up through the air on average. So if a team on average gave up 200 yards in the air we on average this year would get 182. We are a below average passing team. I want a dominant WR that can play at number 1 but is a number 2. I want a reggie wayne. I do not want reggie wayne but A reggie wayne. Someone that we can get or trade for that is proven or do some magic in the draft. I want a great number 2.
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Old 01-15-2006, 04:16 PM   #75
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Re: This Offense Is Too Conservative

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I agree that we were a bit conservative in the first half. If we'd thrown the ball more...

However, if the OL had been fully fit, if we had a legitimate #2 receiver to pull ofthe double teaming, if we had a fully fit and effective DL, if we had a fully fit secondary, if we had someone who could kickoff into the endzone, if we could pin opponents deep with punts, if we didn't miss crucial FG's... if all that had been true, we'd have won the SB this year.

Fact is if's won't get us anywhere. If we'd thrown the ball more in the first half, maybe we'd have covered the spread, but basically the if's caught up with us today and we just never REALLY looked like winning. Just about everyone said we'd run out of steam and had to play on emotion alone. Sooner or later it catches up with you. To be honest, even if we'd won this one, we'd almost certainly have lost the next one. We are out of energy. Those guys, including the coaches, left everything on the field and I salute them.

I won't have a bad word said about JG, especially on the play calling. Next season with a good offseason program and maybe some fresh linemen on both sides, we are going to be strong. What JG has done in 2 years is amazing to me, especially considering the mess that Turner and Spurrier left us in after so many great years under Gibbs' first reign.

Go Joe, Go Skins and Go Ramseyfan and get drunk. Skins played a great season and gave us more than we expected. Enjoy the memories and look forward to more of the same.
I think you hit it on the head. Everyone looked exausted.
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