Will Arrington take a pay cut? (MERGED)

SUNRA · 01-15-2006, 11:34 AM

I think Lavar's agent shops him around and finds that no one is willing to pay for him at this point in his career. A friend of mine said Pittsburgh would love to have him if the price is right since he is from Pittsburgh.

That Guy · 01-16-2006, 03:57 AM

lavar wont take a massive pay cut to stay, so he's gone either this year or possibly next... he says he wants to be here, but obviously not enough to give back money.

In two years he's made a ton of money and done squat. he's still not healed and doesn't have his speed back yet (assuming he can even get back to full speed). Gibbs passed on R moss within 6 hours of the vikings seeking trades, so there's no way we even try that. I'd trade him straight up for another LB (MLB or OLB since marshall plays both) or WR or draft picks at this point.

If he can heal fully i'd love to keep him cause he can still play, but even at 90% health he's overpaid, so if he can't recover he NEEDS to go. The vast amount of money in his contract probably sends him packing either way though.

Luxorreb · 01-16-2006, 05:30 AM

Please Lavar take a pay cut!!!

I want your underachieving ass to STAY!!!

Please stay!!!

htownskinfan · 01-16-2006, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

I don't like Lavar Arrington, and I want him off the team.

I know a bunch of people will probably chastize me for that statement, but consider, what has he done for the Redskins since Gregg Williams has been here? Squat. Considering the reputation of Gregg Williams, it's highly doubtful that Williams is just wrong on Arrington. He thinks Arrington is a liability, he can't be relied upon to stay home when a play isn't coming his way. He's overly aggressive, tries to jump routes, and takes poor angles (probably because he has lost a step, but thinks he can still run at the speed he always used to). He's not an asset in pass coverage, can't stay with the better tight ends in the league, which means Taylor has to do it. For all the money we're paying Lavar, doesn't it say the world of him that Williams takes him out on 3rd downs?

Given Lavar's history, and given Gregg Williams' reputation for being such a good defensive mind, I'm going to side with Williams 100 times out of 100. I'd like to see Lavar gone, there are players we can get to perform better than him in the Gregg Williams system that would cost tons less.

Now, how feasible it is to get him off the team is an entirely different story. Trading or cutting him before June 1 would result in a $12 million cap hit in 2006. If he were on the team in 2006, he's count $12 million all the same. But we'd have to pay someone to replace him, so it would be a net hit to our cap. If we get rid of him after June 1 though, the cap hit will be more palatable. Should be interesting to see what happens.

I agree with everything you said except the first line,I like lavar,but he's just not performing like he should for the money,yes,he had a good game last week,but sat was obviously the biggest game of his carrer and he has 2 tackles? 2 tackles in the biggest game of your career is not a good statement

mheisig · 01-16-2006, 09:03 AM

As much as I love Lavar, I think we have so much depth at LB that we'd be okay if he left.

What would be awesome would be to trade him and Ramsey for a top-notch DE. I can't think of any teams with a great DE who are desperate for a QB and LB off the top of my head. Ideas, anyone?

I think Ramsey upped his stock quite a bit, especially given how many teams are desperate for a even halfway decent QB. And Lavar certainly helped his trade value a bit these past couple of games.

mheisig · 01-16-2006, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I agree with everything you said except the first line,I like lavar,but he's just not performing like he should for the money,yes,he had a good game last week,but sat was obviously the biggest game of his carrer and he has 2 tackles? 2 tackles in the biggest game of your career is not a good statement

If you're basing every players worth off the big game in Seattle, half the team should be cut. That's a pretty lousy rationale.

Base his worth of the entire season, or better yet his last 2-3 seasons and try to find a pattern.

Unfortunately the pattern seems to be inconsistent and downhill overall.

mheisig · 01-16-2006, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

I don't like Lavar Arrington, and I want him off the team.

I know a bunch of people will probably chastize me for that statement, but consider, what has he done for the Redskins since Gregg Williams has been here? Squat. Considering the reputation of Gregg Williams, it's highly doubtful that Williams is just wrong on Arrington. He thinks Arrington is a liability, he can't be relied upon to stay home when a play isn't coming his way. He's overly aggressive, tries to jump routes, and takes poor angles (probably because he has lost a step, but thinks he can still run at the speed he always used to). He's not an asset in pass coverage, can't stay with the better tight ends in the league, which means Taylor has to do it. For all the money we're paying Lavar, doesn't it say the world of him that Williams takes him out on 3rd downs?

Given Lavar's history, and given Gregg Williams' reputation for being such a good defensive mind, I'm going to side with Williams 100 times out of 100. I'd like to see Lavar gone, there are players we can get to perform better than him in the Gregg Williams system that would cost tons less.

Now, how feasible it is to get him off the team is an entirely different story. Trading or cutting him before June 1 would result in a $12 million cap hit in 2006. If he were on the team in 2006, he's count $12 million all the same. But we'd have to pay someone to replace him, so it would be a net hit to our cap. If we get rid of him after June 1 though, the cap hit will be more palatable. Should be interesting to see what happens.

That's an excellent analysis. I think what you said boils down to whether GW and Co. think Lavar is simply underachieving or if he's an actual liability to the team. In order to justify LOSING alot of money on him he would have to be a major bur in someone's ass and a real liability. If it's the same to keep him or cut him prior to June 1st I think they'll probably just keep him around, even if he's just a backup LB (that's some sweet backup pay though).

skinsttw · 01-16-2006, 09:12 AM

I think LA will stay. The cap hit will be too high if we let him go this year. Would have to be a blockbuster trade, maybe Ramsey and LA to the Raiders for Moss and draft pick. Or maybe package the two and send them to the Cards for Boldin and draft pick.

jbcjr14 · 01-16-2006, 09:18 AM

I think Lavar re-structures and hangs around. This org is going to really work on keeping together what they have and add a few components (WR, DE, SS). We are VERY close to the promise land, VERY CLOSE!

Schneed10 · 01-16-2006, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I agree with everything you said except the first line,I like lavar,but he's just not performing like he should for the money,yes,he had a good game last week,but sat was obviously the biggest game of his carrer and he has 2 tackles? 2 tackles in the biggest game of your career is not a good statement

He is a fan favorite, and you have to love the things that he says. He always comes out and says that he bleeds Redskins, burgundy and gold all the way, and all that stuff. I do love that about him. He's mentioned before that he'd rather retire than go to another team (though I think he was embellishing there).

Thing is, the things Lavar says and the things Lavar does often run contrary to one another. He'll say he's all Redskins, but then he'll gripe about the coaches instead of buckling down and studying harder and playing with discipline. In the middle of the season this year, he got all pissed that he wasn't getting playing time. Then he came out and did an interview with Michael Irvin, and he was humble in front of national TV, saying that hey, he needs to get better to play in this system, and that if GW said he wasn't good enough, that meant he needed to get better. But he never did anything to get any better. He seems to say one thing and do another, and because of that, he's not viewed as the emotional leader of the Redskins.

He's got a lot of talent, I just don't think you can count on the guy. He's not dependable. He'll say one thing, and do another. He'll overpursue and won't be where you need him to be. I think that's the quality he lacks most: dependability. And a superstar on D, making a ton of money, needs to be dependable at the very least.

Schneed10 · 01-16-2006, 09:20 AM

But you guys are right about the money thing, even though I don't think very much of him as a player, it might not make sense to get rid of him.

We'll probably only get rid of him if we're desperate for cap room in order to sign our draft choices in July.

rock · 01-16-2006, 09:25 AM

Can't believe ya'll would even consider R. moss. he has no character.

Schneed10 · 01-16-2006, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsttw

I think LA will stay. The cap hit will be too high if we let him go this year. Would have to be a blockbuster trade, maybe Ramsey and LA to the Raiders for Moss and draft pick. Or maybe package the two and send them to the Cards for Boldin and draft pick.

Maybe this would work in Madden. Trades like this don't happen in the NFL unless all players involved have contract beefs. The Raiders won't trade Randy Moss because it would bury their salary cap, and there's no way any team parts with a good guy and great young WR like Anquan Boldin.

skinsguy · 01-16-2006, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Luxorreb

Will Arrington take a pay cut and stay with this team, or fly to another team to get more cash?

As a fan would ya like to see him back next season?

Is it almost certain that he's actually gone in the next few months?

As you can tell I'd like to keep him around another year, but unless he takes a pay cut gonna be virtually impossible.
and then I'll miss #56.

He won't take a paycut and he's definitely not getting a raise anytime soon, so looks like Arrington might be out of Washington.

Southpaw · 01-16-2006, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

He's got a lot of talent, I just don't think you can count on the guy. He's not dependable. He'll say one thing, and do another. He'll overpursue and won't be where you need him to be. I think that's the quality he lacks most: dependability. And a superstar on D, making a ton of money, needs to be dependable at the very least.

I'm sick of people making comments like "he overpursues, is too aggressive, and isn't where he's supposes to be" like all the problems with the defense are LaVars fault. If every player were where they supposed to be 100% of the time, then no opponent would score any points against Washington. When was the last time they blanked somebody?

But realistically, LaVar is done as a Redskin. I've said this before; when has the Washington front office ever cared about taking a huge cat hit? And even if he was willing to restructure, he would still be gone. Just ask Stephen Davis, Champ Bailey, Fred Smoot, Antonio Pierce, and eventually, Patrick Ramsey. Even further down the road, it's going to happen to Samuels, Portis, and Taylor once they're all used up, and most of you will hate on them too. That's how we do it in Washington.

01-15-2006, 11:34 AM	#16
SUNRA The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,680	Re: Will Arrington take a pay cut? I think Lavar's agent shops him around and finds that no one is willing to pay for him at this point in his career. A friend of mine said Pittsburgh would love to have him if the price is right since he is from Pittsburgh. __________________ Redskins Member since 1970

01-16-2006, 03:57 AM	#17
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 30 Posts: 15,624	Re: Will Arrington take a pay cut? lavar wont take a massive pay cut to stay, so he's gone either this year or possibly next... he says he wants to be here, but obviously not enough to give back money. In two years he's made a ton of money and done squat. he's still not healed and doesn't have his speed back yet (assuming he can even get back to full speed). Gibbs passed on R moss within 6 hours of the vikings seeking trades, so there's no way we even try that. I'd trade him straight up for another LB (MLB or OLB since marshall plays both) or WR or draft picks at this point. If he can heal fully i'd love to keep him cause he can still play, but even at 90% health he's overpaid, so if he can't recover he NEEDS to go. The vast amount of money in his contract probably sends him packing either way though. __________________ Who says shameless self promotion is stupid? oh yeah, that was me... Click For Tunes!

01-16-2006, 05:30 AM	#18
Luxorreb ^21^ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 1,601	Re: Will Arrington take a pay cut? Please Lavar take a pay cut!!! I want your underachieving ass to STAY!!! Please stay!!! __________________ GO SKINS!!! ^21^

01-16-2006, 09:03 AM	#20
mheisig The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: The Southeast Age: 29 Posts: 2,119	Re: Will Arrington take a pay cut? As much as I love Lavar, I think we have so much depth at LB that we'd be okay if he left. What would be awesome would be to trade him and Ramsey for a top-notch DE. I can't think of any teams with a great DE who are desperate for a QB and LB off the top of my head. Ideas, anyone? I think Ramsey upped his stock quite a bit, especially given how many teams are desperate for a even halfway decent QB. And Lavar certainly helped his trade value a bit these past couple of games. __________________ Your post count, reputation score, popularity ranking, VIP tag or funny signature has no bearing on how I value you as an individual.

01-16-2006, 09:12 AM	#23
skinsttw Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 174	Re: Will Arrington take a pay cut? I think LA will stay. The cap hit will be too high if we let him go this year. Would have to be a blockbuster trade, maybe Ramsey and LA to the Raiders for Moss and draft pick. Or maybe package the two and send them to the Cards for Boldin and draft pick. __________________ Go skins!

01-16-2006, 09:18 AM	#24
jbcjr14 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Austin, Texas Age: 43 Posts: 2,001	Re: Will Arrington take a pay cut? I think Lavar re-structures and hangs around. This org is going to really work on keeping together what they have and add a few components (WR, DE, SS). We are VERY close to the promise land, VERY CLOSE! __________________ "Work Harder: millions on welfare are counting on you" - Obama 2009 address to Congress.

01-16-2006, 09:20 AM	#26
Schneed10 RG Glee Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 33 Posts: 7,897	Re: Will Arrington take a pay cut? But you guys are right about the money thing, even though I don't think very much of him as a player, it might not make sense to get rid of him. We'll probably only get rid of him if we're desperate for cap room in order to sign our draft choices in July.

01-16-2006, 09:25 AM	#27
rock Camp Scrub Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 9	Re: Will Arrington take a pay cut? Can't believe ya'll would even consider R. moss. he has no character.

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