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Old 01-16-2006, 01:25 PM   #16
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Re: Can Brunell lead this team to a super bowl?

Yes, Brunell absolutly can lead the Redskins to the Super Bowl. Brunell Clearly will need some help, as does any QB in the NFL. note look what happened to the best QB in the league yesterday...no blocking means no offense. If the Redskins go out and get a real #2 WR and possibly a #3 WR for depth. Get some depth on the O-Line so that if we lose a guy we are not starting a center at the guard possition, he clearly had little idea about his blocking assignments. We are set a RB, and we could use another TE. Then you've built a team that Brunell can and will lead to and win the Super Bowl.
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Old 01-16-2006, 01:45 PM   #17
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I think Gibbs coached teams try to dominate right from the start - if they're down in the 4th quarter, they're not "comeback-on-the-road" type of teams. No matter who the QB is. The MNF victory over Dallas was an exception.

I could be wrong, but it would be nice discussion material if anyone knows of Gibbs road record (regular season and playoffs) when trailing in at the start of the 4th quarter.
I disagree totaly,in Gibbs first tenure he was a master of adjustments many games we were down at the half and came out in the second half with a new game plan.
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Old 01-16-2006, 01:50 PM   #18
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I disagree totaly,in Gibbs first tenure he was a master of adjustments many games we were down at the half and came out in the second half with a new game plan.
I knew that. How about if he's trailing at the start of the 4th Q, as can happen often in playoffs?
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Old 01-16-2006, 04:10 PM   #19
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I don't think so--he really drops off when injured, and he's not getting younger. I think he'll be a great backup/mentor to Campbell, though I suppose he'll need to restructure...
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Old 01-16-2006, 04:41 PM   #20
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I disagree totaly,in Gibbs first tenure he was a master of adjustments many games we were down at the half and came out in the second half with a new game plan.
Totally correct, Washington was a superb come from behind team in Gibbs first term. just as you said, they looked like a different team in the second half and Gibbs is famous for his halftime "talks". They did a good job in that respect this season as well as they won several games they trailed in. Brunell will have to have some help in the "Weapons and protection" area's. Long pass routes take longer to set up. He'e spending to much time running! A couple more legit guys to throw to! See, nothin' to it!
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Old 01-16-2006, 04:45 PM   #21
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Re: Can Brunell lead this team to a super bowl?

Hate to feel this way, but my answers is an unequivocal "no". He just is too old to last out a season and still be productive enough to take us all the way. That was glaringly apparent this season. He will be one year older next season and isn't suddenly going to morph into a younger QB. The best I can say about him is that he is a fairly capable QB, but he doesn't have what it takes to win it all for us.
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Old 01-16-2006, 04:48 PM   #22
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I voted no, but actually if we get a first round bye I think he could do it. But for God's sake we can't play that type of offense again! We need to upgrade #2 WR and we're in business. Moss, ???, Patten, Thrash. Thaaaaaaaaaaat's what I'm talking about!
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Old 01-16-2006, 04:56 PM   #23
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Trent Dilfer has a Superbowl ring-nuff said!
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Old 01-16-2006, 05:08 PM   #24
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Hate to feel this way, but my answers is an unequivocal "no". He just is too old to last out a season and still be productive enough to take us all the way. That was glaringly apparent this season. He will be one year older next season and isn't suddenly going to morph into a younger QB. The best I can say about him is that he is a fairly capable QB, but he doesn't have what it takes to win it all for us.
This was your post in September of this year. Maybe Brunell is better than you think for this team.



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If it's true I don't blame him one bit. I have just lost ALL respect for Gibbs.

Get ready for another dismal season, Skins fans. Does anyone out there really think that Brunell will take us to the playoffs? HAH!

What really ticks me off is that, last year, Gibbs gave Brunell every chance to improve - far more games than he deserved, before he finally yanked him. This year, he says Ramsey is the man and he gives him all of 1 game? What in the **** is going on here?

I'll never believe another thing that Gibbs says and, mark my words, neither will any of the other players. From comments I've read, many of them seem to prefer Ramsey.
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Old 01-16-2006, 05:21 PM   #25
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No one is happier about the success this team has had this year w/ Brunell as Qb. However, I would have to say that i don't believe Brunell can lead us to and win the SB. One thing i noticed watching some of the other games this weekend was the Qb play. Lots of teams in the playoffs have great defenses, but its the teams with the qb's that make the special throws and plays that win the game. It became apparent to me watching Jake Delhomme, who is not the fastest guy in the world, drop back to pass. It seems like he takes his 5-6 step drop a hell of a lot faster than Brunell and is able to read the defense quicker b/c of it. Brunell seems to take a split second longer and therefore needs to be protected longer in order to make the great throw.

Brunell in his prime was one of the best qb's in the nfl, no question. But, he has slowed. Can he take us to the playoffs? I think he can next year, but i don't think in my opinion he can lead us further than that. I hope i am wrong, b/c i really would like to see it.
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Old 01-16-2006, 05:38 PM   #26
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It became apparent to me watching Jake Delhomme, who is not the fastest guy in the world, drop back to pass. It seems like he takes his 5-6 step drop a hell of a lot faster than Brunell and is able to read the defense quicker b/c of it. Brunell seems to take a split second longer and therefore needs to be protected longer in order to make the great throw.
Great point about the comparison with Delhomme. Delhomme is by no means a great QB, but he is far above serviceable and almost a very good QB.

Look at the similarities between the skins and the panthers offense:
1. Both run to set up the pass
2. Both have one stellar receiver (Moss/Smith): Slight advantage to Carolina.
3. Both have a good running game (Foster/Portis) Advantage Skins.
4. Both have decent offensive lines

So why are the panthers able to score so easily in the playoffs while we $hit the bed? Sure Steve Smith is an incredible receiver, but the answer has got to be superior QB play by Delhomme.
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Old 01-16-2006, 05:59 PM   #27
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I'm be the Bad Guy and say NO, I like Mark Brunnel....but I want a gunslinger who's not afraid to throw the ball...Mark make good plays, but not great ones, Santana Moss makes great plays, so do Cooley, most of there big plays are off short yardage plays...I think its time to Start the Kid......Campbell came in the league on most cards as a top QB.....I like to see what he can do...
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Old 01-16-2006, 06:07 PM   #28
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If Campbell starts next season then throw out 2006. He would get abused in the East next year. The only way they could consider it is if they add a pro-bowl quality possesion guy who would bail him out. T.O. comes to mind but the negatives are too high (plus Moss would get pissed).
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Old 01-16-2006, 06:25 PM   #29
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This was your post in September of this year. Maybe Brunell is better than you think for this team.



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If it's true I don't blame him one bit. I have just lost ALL respect for Gibbs.

Get ready for another dismal season, Skins fans. Does anyone out there really think that Brunell will take us to the playoffs? HAH!

What really ticks me off is that, last year, Gibbs gave Brunell every chance to improve - far more games than he deserved, before he finally yanked him. This year, he says Ramsey is the man and he gives him all of 1 game? What in the **** is going on here?

I'll never believe another thing that Gibbs says and, mark my words, neither will any of the other players. From comments I've read, many of them seem to prefer Ramsey.
I'll admit I was wrong in predicting a dismal season. The team was a very, very pleasant surprise and Brunell played at a level much better than I anticipated. But, the question posed was - can he win us a Super Bowl? And my answer to that remains the same - no. It's apparent that he is capable enough to take us to the playoffs, but I don't think we will go any farther than the first round or possibly the next round, if he is still the QB. He was playing very well, even great at times, earlier in the season. This is where I was wrong about him. But, as the season progressed, he very obviously slowed down. During the last 3 or 4 games, he has been only a shadow of what he was like early in the season. Next year, he's even older and he just cannot take a full season and stilll maintain the top productivity that a team needs from its QB. The early season successful long passes have become a distant memory during these last few games. Other teams know his limitations and Seattle capitalized on it to beat us. Why do you think they so confidently stacked the line against the run? Because they knew Brunell could not beat them through the air.
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Old 01-16-2006, 07:36 PM   #30
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If Campbell starts next season then throw out 2006. He would get abused in the East next year. The only way they could consider it is if they add a pro-bowl quality possesion guy who would bail him out. T.O. comes to mind but the negatives are too high (plus Moss would get pissed).
I don't disagree with this point, but it - along with this thread generally - does raise an interesting question: if you can't win a Super Bowl with Brunell then how long can you keep Jason Campbell on the bench. This post will go against some of the things I wrote earlier, but I have been thinking about this topic and my conclusions - at least I look at things in January - are kind of troubling...maybe some of you can shoot a hole in my logic and I welcome any such thoughts.

I think if Jason Campbell starts next season the Redskins will not make the playoffs, they might, but would probably be more likely to finish 7-9 or 8-8. If you go with Brunell then you might be more likely to win a few more games and even to make the playoffs - though that certainly is not guarenteed - but you also retard the maturation process of Campbell by another full year. His development would be stifled even further if Pat Ramsey is still on the team next season (whatever you think of Ramsey it is hard to argue that he SHOULD be with the team next year, it does not serve the interests of either party...that is unless the Skins think they have a legitimate chance at the Super Bowl and that Brunell can lead them there).

In essence who starts at quarterback is a big statement about the direction of the organization and the future of Joe Gibbs. Starting Campbell would say that the team is willing to suffer through the growing pains of a young NFL QB but do so with an eye towards making a legitimate run at the Super Bowl in 2-3 years. It might also indicate that Gibbs is committed to the team beyond 2006. If Brunell starts it says that the team is looking to win now and Gibbs is eyeing a return to retirement in the very near future. Both strategies have draw backs. The former is predicated on the notion that the Skins can keep the nucleus of this team - particularly the defense - intact long enough for Campbell to develop into a legitimate starting quarterback. The latter takes into account the fact that the future in the modern NFL is uncertain and you should try to win while you can, but it also sets back the development of a young quarterback and might prevent him from ever being successful with the franchise.

Ironically the Redskins success this season actually complicates the situation. Had they missed out on the playoffs the transition to the Jason Campbell era would have been much smoother and Brunell could have settled in as a back-up and mentor. As it stands it is unlikely that anyone other than Brunell heads into 2006 as the starter and might even mean that Ramsey hangs around to play caddy for another season while Campbell languishes on the sidelines.

All that is not to say that I wish the Skins did not make the playoffs, there are few things I would trade for the excitement of watching/listening to them this season and the satisfaction I took in their success. The quarterback situation is tricky, however, and I am concerned that the Redskins might sacrifice long term success in an attempt to make one final run for Coach Gibbs. What do you guys think? Is it worth struggling through Campbell's growing pains in order to develop a quarterback who could hopefully turn into a successful NFL leader? Would we, as fans both on the internet and in the stands, be patient enough to allow him to develop without destroying his psyche by getting down on him when he struggled, especially given the teams' success this season? If Brunell is not the one to lead the team to the Super Bowl is there any point in spinning their wheels by starting him again next year, even if it means a greater chance for short term success as measured by a few wins and maybe a playoff appearence (and I ask that even though I have come to respect Mark a great deal this season)?

I just don't think there are too many easy answers and that gives me pause. Maybe it is the natural pessimist in me to start worry about the future only a day after the Skins got eliminated from the playoffs...I don't know...
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