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Old 01-17-2006, 11:30 AM   #31
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Schneed you have to take in 2 account that the CBA will not get sign for your analysis be complete also if it doesn't get sign before 3/1 it will affect the hole FA period and moves because there won't be any signing bonus and everything will afect the cap this year.

So that will afect any posible trade scenarios and it will be the same 2 keep LA than 2 cut him because no team will absorb his cap hit with all the problems they will face and there is no way your team will eat 12mill of dead money just 2 get rid of him
The numbers become entirely different if you assume that the CBA does not get extended, it's not a matter of taking that little variable into account and having things change slightly. Whether the CBA gets extended or not changes the entire landscape of the team's salary cap, it's either the CBA gets extended and we have about $16 million in cap room, or the CBA doesn't get extended and we're releasing players left and right (and many other teams are doing the same). And the main reason why I'd put my money on an extension getting signed is just as FRPLG indicated, a lot of teams would be in a lot of trouble if the agreement didn't get signed. They are motivated to get the CBA extended, because they made the same assumption I did, they built their salary structures with the assumption in mind that the CBA would be extended.

I think it's unreasonable to assume that the CBA is going to come to an end and that salary caps as we know them are done in the NFL.
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Old 01-17-2006, 12:22 PM   #32
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http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp

I expect an extension also but many teams are in good cap shape and might like nothing better than to see the new CBA delayed past 3/1 and pick up some good players from the teams in most trouble. I think many would love nothing better than to see Al Davis and Danny Snyder put in a horrible position and made to twist in the wind.
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Old 01-17-2006, 01:45 PM   #33
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http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp

I expect an extension also but many teams are in good cap shape and might like nothing better than to see the new CBA delayed past 3/1 and pick up some good players from the teams in most trouble. I think many would love nothing better than to see Al Davis and Danny Snyder put in a horrible position and made to twist in the wind.
Nice link. But the guys who have been the driving force behind letting the CBA expire have been Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones. There are a few other select owners in their corner, but Danny and Jerry are both over the cap according to your link. It's in their interests to see the CBA get extended, and they have previously represented the faction that wanted the end of the CBA. They will cave in the 11th hour, if not before.
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Nice link. But the guys who have been the driving force behind letting the CBA expire have been Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones. There are a few other select owners in their corner, but Danny and Jerry are both over the cap according to your link. It's in their interests to see the CBA get extended, and they have previously represented the faction that wanted the end of the CBA. They will cave in the 11th hour, if not before.
Becuase, correct me if I'm wrong, if the CBA isnt extended, then 2007 (and possibly beyond) is an uncapped year? I know Snyder would LOVE that.
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Becuase, correct me if I'm wrong, if the CBA isnt extended, then 2007 (and possibly beyond) is an uncapped year? I know Snyder would LOVE that.
Yeah and I think that's why Snyder was driving that push last year. He wants to see uncapped years, partly because his team makes more money and he wants to keep more of it, and partly because he knows he can outspend other owners. But in the short term, he must know that allowing the league to go uncapped would crush his team in 2006. My suspicion is that his stance has changed now that he saw the team go 10-6 and get to the second round of the playoffs. He knows the team is doing well at this point, and he won't want to foul that up/.
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Nice link. But the guys who have been the driving force behind letting the CBA expire have been Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones. There are a few other select owners in their corner, but Danny and Jerry are both over the cap according to your link. It's in their interests to see the CBA get extended, and they have previously represented the faction that wanted the end of the CBA. They will cave in the 11th hour, if not before.
Let's clear up what is actually going on with the CBA.
There are 2 issues causing the problems. First is the agreement amongst the owners as to the sharing of revenues. Then there is the CBA negotiations. Now the CBA will never get agreed upon until the owners have agreed on revenue sharing. The reason the CBA negotiations have dragged on is that the owners simply can't agree on how to share the revenues any more. I am not greatly versed in the revenue sharing specifics but I believe they currently share the TV money, ticket sales, league based apparrel contract money, and some other smaller revenue streams. What they don't share is concessions, local tv revenue, team specific apparell sales and such, and other locally produced monies. These local monies are huge for teams like the Skins and Ciowbys and not very huge for teams like KC or Arizona. Of course the Dan doesn't want to share his extra money because he feels he is better at marketing than most of these other teams so why should he give them the spoils of his work.
Once they work this out the CBA can be tackled in full. They'll be able to negotiate from a position of understanding what monies everyone has so they can better work the deal successfully.

So Snyder is not directly holding the CBA up but he is indirectly.
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Let's clear up what is actually going on with the CBA.
There are 2 issues causing the problems. First is the agreement amongst the owners as to the sharing of revenues. Then there is the CBA negotiations. Now the CBA will never get agreed upon until the owners have agreed on revenue sharing. The reason the CBA negotiations have dragged on is that the owners simply can't agree on how to share the revenues any more. I am not greatly versed in the revenue sharing specifics but I believe they currently share the TV money, ticket sales, league based apparrel contract money, and some other smaller revenue streams. What they don't share is concessions, local tv revenue, team specific apparell sales and such, and other locally produced monies. These local monies are huge for teams like the Skins and Ciowbys and not very huge for teams like KC or Arizona. Of course the Dan doesn't want to share his extra money because he feels he is better at marketing than most of these other teams so why should he give them the spoils of his work.
Once they work this out the CBA can be tackled in full. They'll be able to negotiate from a position of understanding what monies everyone has so they can better work the deal successfully.

So Snyder is not directly holding the CBA up but he is indirectly.
My big issue is with sharing revenue from stadium naming rights. If Snyder wants to take in millions from calling his place FedEx Field, why should he have to share that money because KC wants to keep playing in "Arrowhead" or Cinci in "Paul Brown" or the Browns in "Cleveland Stadium" (which is a crappy name anyway)? That to me is profoundly unfair; if these teams want the money from it, sell the name.
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My big issue is with sharing revenue from stadium naming rights. If Snyder wants to take in millions from calling his place FedEx Field, why should he have to share that money because KC wants to keep playing in "Arrowhead" or Cinci in "Paul Brown" or the Browns in "Cleveland Stadium" (which is a crappy name anyway)? That to me is profoundly unfair; if these teams want the money from it, sell the name.
I tend to agree(I'm a capalistic pig) but the league has enjoyed profound success by the completely uncapitalistic idea of sharing money so all teams had a chance. I tend to want them to stick with what got them to the dance.
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Old 01-17-2006, 02:33 PM   #39
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Let's clear up what is actually going on with the CBA.
There are 2 issues causing the problems. First is the agreement amongst the owners as to the sharing of revenues. Then there is the CBA negotiations. Now the CBA will never get agreed upon until the owners have agreed on revenue sharing. The reason the CBA negotiations have dragged on is that the owners simply can't agree on how to share the revenues any more. I am not greatly versed in the revenue sharing specifics but I believe they currently share the TV money, ticket sales, league based apparrel contract money, and some other smaller revenue streams. What they don't share is concessions, local tv revenue, team specific apparell sales and such, and other locally produced monies. These local monies are huge for teams like the Skins and Ciowbys and not very huge for teams like KC or Arizona. Of course the Dan doesn't want to share his extra money because he feels he is better at marketing than most of these other teams so why should he give them the spoils of his work.
Once they work this out the CBA can be tackled in full. They'll be able to negotiate from a position of understanding what monies everyone has so they can better work the deal successfully.

So Snyder is not directly holding the CBA up but he is indirectly.
Right, that's what I mean when I say that Snyder and Jones have been the driving force. They are holding up a new CBA because they can't agree on the revenue sharing. Danny partly wants to keep more of his own money, plain and simple. But he also knows that if he holds up the issue on revenue sharing, a new CBA can't be put in place. And if a new CBA can't be put in place, he knows the league will go uncapped, and he'll be able to outbid for free agents just like the Yankees.

But now he knows his team is close to success and he must know that going uncapped would mean a big part of his team will be dismantled. I think this will cause him to back off his stance a little bit.

Plus his stance wasn't that realistic to begin with. He had a minority on his side, but when he lost Bob McNair, he really doesn't have the votes. I'm sure he's acutely aware of all these factors.
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Concerning Lavar. Much of the discussion here seems premised on the idea that Lavar can still play. He looks like he gained thirty pounds during the season this year. He is fat and slow. There is no way they should keep him.
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Concerning Lavar.....There is no way they should keep him.
You're right the is NO WAY they should keep him. He is totally worthless and not worth the air he breathes. He can't play and does nothing for the team. He isn't even a nice guy. Such a malcontent always getting in fights with teammates. Who the heck would want him on their team? Don't forget that the INT he had in the TB game that was a major reason we won wasn't due to anything he did. What a worthless player. Please. Get real man. Ugh.
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Old 01-17-2006, 04:06 PM   #42
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the guy has 10 tackles and an interception without playing on third down and he is worthless!on comcast this morning without reading into an interview i get the feeling he will be back,as long as the numbers are right.i want him back minus the soap opera every week.a dynamic force in this league when healthy
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You're right the is NO WAY they should keep him. He is totally worthless and not worth the air he breathes. He can't play and does nothing for the team. He isn't even a nice guy. Such a malcontent always getting in fights with teammates. Who the heck would want him on their team? Don't forget that the INT he had in the TB game that was a major reason we won wasn't due to anything he did. What a worthless player. Please. Get real man. Ugh.

FRPLG, please tell me you're joking!
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FRPLG, please tell me you're joking!
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Old 01-17-2006, 05:53 PM   #45
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If Arrington will restructure to save cap room, I'm fine with keeping him. But I still wouldn't want him playing on 3rd downs until he gets up to speed a bit more on the defense.
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