who is a better coach

jasonskin · 04-27-2004, 08:16 PM

Who is a better defnsive coach Gregg Williams or Marvin Lewis

jdlea · 04-27-2004, 08:18 PM

My vote is with Marvin Lewis.

SKINSnCANES · 04-27-2004, 08:24 PM

Bills had the number 2 D last year. I think Lewis is a slightly better coach, but is also a lot more conservative. Lewis is very strict and not as aggressive. Williams will fit the Skins better because he will attack more and not limit players roles.

PSUskinsfan11 · 04-27-2004, 08:29 PM

Lewis no doubt

skins009 · 04-27-2004, 08:32 PM

strickly as a defensive coordinator I would have to say Williams. I say this because even when The Ravens won that super bowl with that great defense, they still finished number two in the leage. The number one defense was the tennesse Titans leed by our very own gregg Williams. Plus Lewis had Ray lewis, its not hard to be a good defense when you have that guy. The bottom line is all coaches are limited by the amount of talent they have. Buffalo's D wasnt' good the instant Williams got there, it took time to aquire the talent. I will say though, other than of course getting Coach Gibbs, the best offseason by far was Gregg Williams, more than any other player or draft choice. My prediction for the defense this year is a improved group, but still not in the top 15. We still have no talent on the d-line, and that is where it all starts for a defense.

Gmanc711 · 04-27-2004, 08:42 PM

Marvin Lewis by a long shot. Thats no knock against Greg Williams, but Lewis is one of a kind.

Duffman003 · 04-27-2004, 09:29 PM

I think Marvin Lewis is one of the top coaches in the league.

Scott · 04-27-2004, 10:42 PM

I'd have to agree, Lewis is a great coach, Williams is good for the skins because of the types of players we have, very aggressive style.

skinsfanthru&thru · 04-27-2004, 10:47 PM

i like both coaches and what they can do, but lewis has gotten his success as a def. cordinator with quite a bit of talent whereas williams has had similar defensive success(maybe a bit more pressures and sacks), but with a considerably lower level of talent at his disposal. so i have to go with williams, plus he's our coach and lewis isn't, lol.

JoeRedskin · 04-27-2004, 10:53 PM

If your talking Def. Coordinators only, then I think its a close call with an edge to Williams given his defensive success in Buffalo without a lot of "name" talent. As to general coaching skills, I think it's got to be Lewis. He is going to make Cinci into a playoff team. That alone should get him into the HOF.

redwagonskins · 04-27-2004, 11:09 PM

Lewis. He got out apparently hollow d to be on of the tops in the league desoite Spurriers offense keeping them out there 59:00 minutes a game and then takes the Bungles and actually makes them not be the butt of every joke!

beg8878 · 04-28-2004, 12:36 PM

I think you have to see what Willimas can do with our defense before deciding who is better.

In my opinion, if Williams can turn our D around from the under achieving unit we've had here the past few years and can get us into a top 5 ranking, then I would lean a little towards Williams.

Right now though, I would lean towards Marvin.

kingerock · 04-28-2004, 12:40 PM

I think Lewis is still a wait and see type coach. I think he had great success with the Ravens, but Bugs Bunny could have coached that group of guys to success... He's done a great job so far in Cincy, but it could have been a Kitna thing.

On the other hand, Williams may have not had great luck as a head coach in Buffalo, but he's always had great defenses. Been able to do more with a roster that doesn't even come close to matching ours on defense.

SkinsRock · 04-28-2004, 01:00 PM

I agree with JoeRedskin that as a D coordinator, it's Williams, for succeeding with lesser talent. But overall as a coach and motivator, it's gotta be Lewis.

skinsfanthru&thru · 04-28-2004, 01:10 PM

anyone know what cincy's def ranked last year? they were 28th in yardage and points allowed. that doesn't sound like a great defensive team to me compared to buffalo being ranked 2nd in yards allowed and 5th in points allowed. yes lewis did a good job coaching cinnci last season, but the main reason lewis had so much success last year with his team was the emergance of rudi johnson, chad johnson, and a career year for john kitna.

04-27-2004, 08:16 PM	#1
jasonskin Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: washington dc Age: 30 Posts: 148	who is a better coach Who is a better defnsive coach Gregg Williams or Marvin Lewis

04-27-2004, 08:24 PM	#3
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 31 Posts: 5,394	Bills had the number 2 D last year. I think Lewis is a slightly better coach, but is also a lot more conservative. Lewis is very strict and not as aggressive. Williams will fit the Skins better because he will attack more and not limit players roles. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

04-28-2004, 12:40 PM	#13
kingerock Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Killeen, TX Age: 37 Posts: 360	I think Lewis is still a wait and see type coach. I think he had great success with the Ravens, but Bugs Bunny could have coached that group of guys to success... He's done a great job so far in Cincy, but it could have been a Kitna thing. On the other hand, Williams may have not had great luck as a head coach in Buffalo, but he's always had great defenses. Been able to do more with a roster that doesn't even come close to matching ours on defense. __________________ Redskins fan lost in Texas for 20 years. Need a ride to D.C.

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skinsfanthru&thru Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 32 Posts: 3,511	anyone know what cincy's def ranked last year? they were 28th in yardage and points allowed. that doesn't sound like a great defensive team to me compared to buffalo being ranked 2nd in yards allowed and 5th in points allowed. yes lewis did a good job coaching cinnci last season, but the main reason lewis had so much success last year with his team was the emergance of rudi johnson, chad johnson, and a career year for john kitna. Last edited by skinsfanthru&thru; 04-28-2004 at 01:32 PM. Reason: didn't mean to quote anyone

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04-27-2004, 08:29 PM	#4
PSUskinsfan11 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: the port, PA Age: 28 Posts: 692	Lewis no doubt

04-27-2004, 08:32 PM	#5
skins009 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 528	strickly as a defensive coordinator I would have to say Williams. I say this because even when The Ravens won that super bowl with that great defense, they still finished number two in the leage. The number one defense was the tennesse Titans leed by our very own gregg Williams. Plus Lewis had Ray lewis, its not hard to be a good defense when you have that guy. The bottom line is all coaches are limited by the amount of talent they have. Buffalo's D wasnt' good the instant Williams got there, it took time to aquire the talent. I will say though, other than of course getting Coach Gibbs, the best offseason by far was Gregg Williams, more than any other player or draft choice. My prediction for the defense this year is a improved group, but still not in the top 15. We still have no talent on the d-line, and that is where it all starts for a defense.

04-27-2004, 08:42 PM	#6
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 27 Posts: 7,380	Marvin Lewis by a long shot. Thats no knock against Greg Williams, but Lewis is one of a kind.

04-27-2004, 09:29 PM	#7
Duffman003 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 589	I think Marvin Lewis is one of the top coaches in the league.

04-27-2004, 10:42 PM	#8
Scott Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 177	I'd have to agree, Lewis is a great coach, Williams is good for the skins because of the types of players we have, very aggressive style.

04-27-2004, 10:47 PM	#9
skinsfanthru&thru Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 32 Posts: 3,511	i like both coaches and what they can do, but lewis has gotten his success as a def. cordinator with quite a bit of talent whereas williams has had similar defensive success(maybe a bit more pressures and sacks), but with a considerably lower level of talent at his disposal. so i have to go with williams, plus he's our coach and lewis isn't, lol.

04-27-2004, 10:53 PM	#10
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 50 Posts: 7,222	If your talking Def. Coordinators only, then I think its a close call with an edge to Williams given his defensive success in Buffalo without a lot of "name" talent. As to general coaching skills, I think it's got to be Lewis. He is going to make Cinci into a playoff team. That alone should get him into the HOF.

04-27-2004, 11:09 PM	#11
redwagonskins Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 685	Lewis. He got out apparently hollow d to be on of the tops in the league desoite Spurriers offense keeping them out there 59:00 minutes a game and then takes the Bungles and actually makes them not be the butt of every joke!

04-28-2004, 12:36 PM	#12
beg8878 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 34 Posts: 270	I think you have to see what Willimas can do with our defense before deciding who is better. In my opinion, if Williams can turn our D around from the under achieving unit we've had here the past few years and can get us into a top 5 ranking, then I would lean a little towards Williams. Right now though, I would lean towards Marvin.

04-28-2004, 01:00 PM	#14
SkinsRock Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Crofton, MD Age: 43 Posts: 907	I agree with JoeRedskin that as a D coordinator, it's Williams, for succeeding with lesser talent. But overall as a coach and motivator, it's gotta be Lewis.

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