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Old 01-17-2006, 09:08 AM   #16
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Re: Any update on Campbell?

Brunell did have a solid year. What scared me, though, were some of his bad decisions in the playoffs. That interception at Tampa could have cost us the game, and that intentional grounding at Seattle was not a good play for a veteran to make. He seemed too tired at the end.

That said, he'll be a great mentor for Jason Campbell whenever Coach Gibbs makes the switch next season.
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Old 01-17-2006, 09:09 AM   #17
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I think I'm pretty impressed with 23 TDs and 10 INTs from Mark Brunell this year, considering he had no second WR to speak of. If you add a second WR who is worth a damn, I could see 28 TDs and 12 INTs next season.

I don't see Campbell performing that well in his first year. Campbell may be capable of getting to 28 TDs due to the accuracy that Gibbs trumpets. But a young QB starting for his first year in the league is likely to throw a lot more than 10-12 INTs.

I will certainly keep an open mind and give Campbell a chance to show he deserves to start, but at this point I feel very comfortable with Brunell as the starter next season. I firmly believe our vet QB is not the problem keeping us from getting to the Super Bowl. In my opinion, the primary problem is WR.
I think you're right on that Campbell could throw more TDs but probably more INTs too - just goes with being the new guy and adjusting to the NFL.

Obviously winning the Super Bowl is the ultimate goal no matter who the player is. I guess I've always taken exception to the attitude that we'll try to win at any cost, even at the cost of building a strong, long-lasting team. Doing what the Raiders did and throwing together an amazing team for a one-year run is just disheartening. Look at them now.

I'm much more for long-term team growth than hanging on to Brunell in the hopes of snagging a Super Bowl win and having the team disintegrate afterwords. That's what makes the Patriots impressive is their ability to compete like they do year in and year out.

I don't think anyone will argue that Brunell is anything but a short-term solution. He's 36 now and will be 37 once then next season starts - he has very little time left to be effective.
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Old 01-17-2006, 09:15 AM   #18
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Brunell was the #13 ranked QB this season with a passer rating of 85.9. Is that mind-blowingly spectacular? No. Nobody is arguing he's Joe Montana or Peyton Manning, just saying he did a pretty good job, which he did.

57% on completions, and most impressive is 23 TDs to only 10 INTs. That's a better ratio than Tom Brady, Trent Green, Jake Delhomme, Eli Manning and Ben Roethlisberger.

His stats prove him to be efficient and relatively low-risk. You play to your teams strengths. Our strength was running the ball, as is many teams. Doesn't mean the QB is worthless or "inadequate." This is a run-first team and probably always will be as long as Gibbs is coach. If you're looking for a gunslinger like Peyton Manning, find another team.
OK... is #13 great? Was he consistent? Did the redskins win 6 in a row when they decided to go with the power running game? Are you disagreeing with me?
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Old 01-17-2006, 09:17 AM   #19
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I just dont see campbell starting next year. I think Gibbs will try to milk every last ounce out of MB because he thinks MB gives the skins their best chance to win. Gibbs has assembled a playoff team and he will add more parts in the offseason, he's not going to take that playoff team and turn it over to an unproven qb. MB is the man until further notice.
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Old 01-17-2006, 09:17 AM   #20
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Re: Any update on Campbell?

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Gibbs never says anything negative abotu a player. The guy could be killing our season(hint:2004) and Gibbs would insist he is fighting his guts out. I love the coach but I'll believe Campbell is the goods when I see it with my eyes. I have no reason to think he isn' though so that is good.
True Gibbs never says anything negative about a player, but conversely he's never effusive in his praise for a player either just for the sake of saying it. He never came out and praised Ramsey, for example, like that. For him to be that excited and specific (accuracy is a big thing with him and part of the reason they don't trust Ramsey) makes me think that he's seen things that will bode really well for the future of the franchise at that position.

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wow, I get excited hearing that from gibbs
hope that we have a future superstar qb, who does not only like to run aka mike vick, vince young
but also qb who is accurate and a decision maker ala brunell and brady
I don't know that Campbell has the speed/playmaking ability like a Vick or Young, he maybe a slower version of McNair back in his day.. He's got decent speed for a QB (4.6, 4.7) but he is by no means a blazer..
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Old 01-17-2006, 09:17 AM   #21
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I think you're right on that Campbell could throw more TDs but probably more INTs too - just goes with being the new guy and adjusting to the NFL.

Obviously winning the Super Bowl is the ultimate goal no matter who the player is. I guess I've always taken exception to the attitude that we'll try to win at any cost, even at the cost of building a strong, long-lasting team. Doing what the Raiders did and throwing together an amazing team for a one-year run is just disheartening. Look at them now.

I'm much more for long-term team growth than hanging on to Brunell in the hopes of snagging a Super Bowl win and having the team disintegrate afterwords. That's what makes the Patriots impressive is their ability to compete like they do year in and year out.

I don't think anyone will argue that Brunell is anything but a short-term solution. He's 36 now and will be 37 once then next season starts - he has very little time left to be effective.
Actually he's 35 now and will turn 36 shortly after next season starts.
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Old 01-17-2006, 09:21 AM   #22
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Re: Any update on Campbell?

I think the article Daly wrote in the Was Times has some interesting stuff about Brunell.
http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=10666 (WT: Brunell Just Isn't the Man)
My point about Brunell is the same as this guy's. This season was the best he could be. We can't count on getting this out of him again. I don't care if his receivers are Jerry Rice and Art Monk. We need to have a plan on how to have a better QB. Not just a solid guy but a good guy who allows us a thicker more advanced playbook.
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Old 01-17-2006, 09:42 AM   #23
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It's kinda funny that last year at this time Brunell couldn't get it done period, now it's ok we were wrong yeah he can still play... but now he can't take the team all the way.
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Old 01-17-2006, 09:43 AM   #24
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What Gibbs said about Campbell gives me alot of hope. I can't wait to see Jason play next year in preseason. We didn't really get a chance to see too much of him play this past preseason. Could be a situation where Campbell gets moved to #2 next year, and the Redskins sign a veteran qb at #3.

To whoever said that Brunell just had an adequate year, I humbly disagree. Brunell had a solid year this year. Yes, it wasn't a GREAT year, but it much more than just adequate. He'll be back next year starting for us again, and hopefully when we have another solid receiver for Brunell to throw to, we'll see that Brunell has alot of football left in his 35 year old arm.
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Old 01-17-2006, 09:47 AM   #25
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It's kinda funny that last year at this time Brunell couldn't get it done period, now it's ok we were wrong yeah he can still play... but now he can't take the team all the way.
Do you think they can win a SB with Brunell as QB?
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To whoever said that Brunell just had an adequate year, I humbly disagree. Brunell had a solid year this year. Yes, it wasn't a GREAT year, but it much more than just adequate. He'll be back next year starting for us again, and hopefully when we have another solid receiver for Brunell to throw to, we'll see that Brunell has alot of football left in his 35 year old arm.

That was me. It's OK that we disagree.
A QB who can't throw for more than 41 yards in a playoff game gets no more than an "adequate" in my rating system.
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Do you think they can win a SB with Brunell as QB?
I really don't know, I'm not ready to say he absolutely cannot take the team all the way, and as I said in another thread I don't think it's all on his shoulders either.

Brunell's level of play seems to coincide with how the entire offense as a unit is playing. He's not a guy that can carry a team on his back, but when the offense is playing well he's a great compliment. Placing all the blame on Brunell when the offense struggles is a cop-out in my opinion. The offense as a whole struggled in the playoffs from the offensive line to the backs to the receivers.
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Old 01-17-2006, 09:57 AM   #28
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Does someone have some videos of campbell at auburn,
what is his strengths and weaknesses
does he play like mcnabb or a roethlisberger?
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Old 01-17-2006, 10:04 AM   #29
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It's kinda funny that last year at this time Brunell couldn't get it done period, now it's ok we were wrong yeah he can still play... but now he can't take the team all the way.
bingo ...

Do people ever learn? I mean, until the crow is down your throat and in your belly, most people, including myself just don't get it.

Brunell had a bad year, we upgraded our O and tweaked it, he has a good to great year, and now the season is over, he had a few bad games that left a bad taste in our mouth and now he is sucks all over again and he can't do it, and we got all we are going to get out of him. We gave MB one good receiver and look what he did this year... we give him one more and who knows how good he can be next year. Do I want Campbell to start and play and be successful, HELL YES. But is it realistic and a big gamble to start him next year.....yes.
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I really don't know, I'm not ready to say he absolutely cannot take the team all the way, and as I said in another thread I don't think it's all on his shoulders either.

Brunell's level of play seems to coincide with how the entire offense as a unit is playing. He's not a guy that can carry a team on his back, but when the offense is playing well he's a great compliment. Placing all the blame on Brunell when the offense struggles is a cop-out in my opinion. The offense as a whole struggled in the playoffs from the offensive line to the backs to the receivers.
I tend to agree but I think the QB position is one that simply can make everything else better. I do think if we put everything in the right place and everything goes perfectly maybe we can get to a SB with him and who knows what happens but I'd rather have a comprehensive solution that gives us a shot consistently to be a SB level team. Not just when everything is perfect. I know we're not going to get a Manning type QB but I think if we had a Delhomme level guy we'd be better off. The biggest problem is that I do think the long term answer is Campbell. At least I have no reason to thinks it is not. The question then is do we stick with Brunell for probably one more year or is there a short term upgrade? We probably stick with Brunell but I thinkithat probably "dooms" us to another year like this one. I guess I'd be ok being "doomed" to another a good year like this but I think we could be good enough to be a SB team next year and I don't want to squander it.
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