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Old 01-18-2006, 05:30 PM   #106
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Re: Any update on Campbell?

yeah but is he just a practice player like Rat Pansey or is he for real. also are we ready to sacrifice some games to see if this guys ready to play?
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Old 01-18-2006, 06:04 PM   #107
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yeah but is he just a practice player like Rat Pansey or is he for real. also are we ready to sacrifice some games to see if this guys ready to play?
Who says Ramsey was a practice player he might have been ruined as u people say under Spurrier but this was gonna be his 2nd year under Gibbs..... Brunell had the benefit of the "Gibbs System" whatever meager chance Ramsey had to perform he played well so maybe your judging him too harshy also???? You see The total bad side or Ramsey and Brunell is God!!!! I know if i take this season and last brunell has played poorly in the majority of the games OVERALL.... I more than sure Patrick can do as well.... But Brunell DID lead the NFL in fumbles lost!!! good job mark..make your mark no pun intended or was there?
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ramsey was an interception machine. you gotta remember that.
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Old 01-18-2006, 06:28 PM   #109
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Look, at some point we're gonna have to lose some games to find out if a young quarterback can play. It's very rare that a young QB comes in and takes the league by storm. Would you have given up on Peyton after his first year sucked? The impatience that runs through the NFL is driving me crazy.

Maybe the team takes a few on the chin so a kid can learn how to play at this level. This isn't a great team as is. Brunell's not getting any younger. Whether it be next season or the one after that that we find out whether or not Jason Campbell is gonna be ready, we're probably gonna have a losing season that year. The NFL is cyclical like that. But trying to put a band aid on the quarterback position doesn't build a great team. You have to let players develop, especially when it comes to quarterbacks.

Ramsey was a mistake of a lot of people who didn't give him the chance to progress. It was just "win now or get out of the way." If we treat Campbell the same way, he won't end up being different. You can't yank players in and out of the game and expect them to become great players. It just doesn't work. Look at Carr and Harrington, they've been given chance after chance, Ramsey doesn't even have half the starts they do. I bet if he did, he'd be better than each of them. However, that's all beside the point now. We need to give Campbell a shot and whenever it happens, it can't be for a few preseason games and then 1 half of football before he gets the hook.
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Old 01-18-2006, 06:41 PM   #110
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With our defense, we don't necessarily have to lose games to see if this guy is any good. He knows how not to lose a football game. Hand the ball to Portis. It's not like Brunell was out there dazzling us with his performances, especially the second half of the year, and we still won.
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Old 01-18-2006, 07:06 PM   #111
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Did you watch the Wild Card game? Either Giants games? Oakland?
Those must be the only games you watched, because the other 13 or so games tell us that Brunell is more than capable of leading this team and we have proof with how our season went this year.
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Old 01-18-2006, 07:10 PM   #112
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Who says Ramsey was a practice player he might have been ruined as u people say under Spurrier but this was gonna be his 2nd year under Gibbs..... Brunell had the benefit of the "Gibbs System" whatever meager chance Ramsey had to perform he played well so maybe your judging him too harshy also???? You see The total bad side or Ramsey and Brunell is God!!!! I know if i take this season and last brunell has played poorly in the majority of the games OVERALL.... I more than sure Patrick can do as well.... But Brunell DID lead the NFL in fumbles lost!!! good job mark..make your mark no pun intended or was there?
Ramsey didn't exactly light things up last year when he came in off the bench. He played better than Brunell did - that ain't sayin' much at all! This year, you can't tell me he played well when he played. He played like crap through preseason and through the Chicago game. He played well in the Giants game and he admitted that he improved because he had the benefit of watching Brunell play the entire year. If he is an improved quarterback, you can thank Brunell, Musgrave, and Joe Gibbs for that.
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Old 01-18-2006, 07:12 PM   #113
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i can't wait for pre-season because campbell is going to play, and really impress all of us. not only is he big, but he has a very accurate arm and is smart. i think he might even beat out brunell for the starting job.
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Old 01-18-2006, 07:17 PM   #114
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i can't wait for pre-season because campbell is going to play, and really impress all of us. not only is he big, but he has a very accurate arm and is smart. i think he might even beat out brunell for the starting job.
as odd as it sounds, i have a weird feeling you are right. i thought gibbs was out of his mind trading away this year's pick to denver, but in hindsite it was smart. he found his leader of the future, and was able to groom him a year in advance.
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Old 01-18-2006, 07:21 PM   #115
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i can't wait for pre-season because campbell is going to play, and really impress all of us. not only is he big, but he has a very accurate arm and is smart. i think he might even beat out brunell for the starting job.
I still believe Brunell, if healthy, will be our starting quarterback next season, but I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't last all season. I can tell you this, it won't be because Brunell is not playing well, it will be because he gets an injury that pretty much ends his career.
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Ramsey didn't exactly light things up last year when he came in off the bench. He played better than Brunell did - that ain't sayin' much at all! This year, you can't tell me he played well when he played. He played like crap through preseason and through the Chicago game. He played well in the Giants game and he admitted that he improved because he had the benefit of watching Brunell play the entire year. If he is an improved quarterback, you can thank Brunell, Musgrave, and Joe Gibbs for that.
he didnt play like crap in the chicago game....... and maybe if he would have had the whole season to learn under fire maybe he could have been better but regardless brunell played like shit in alot of games this year..... and of course he can thank gibbs but ask jacksonville they cut brunell and it wasn't a salary cap cut either.....
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he didnt play like crap in the chicago game....... and maybe if he would have had the whole season to learn under fire maybe he could have been better but regardless brunell played like shit in alot of games this year..... and of course he can thank gibbs but ask jacksonville they cut brunell and it wasn't a salary cap cut either.....
Unfortunately they didn't cut Brunell, we traded a 3rd rd pick for him. I thought it was foolish at the time, but after season season it was worth it. Hopefully we can find someone to give us a #3 for Ramsey. I get your basic point, however, I think you are perhaps a bit too attached to Ramsey though. Brunell played very well this season and I doubt Ramsey could have piloted this team to a similar record. His decision making is questionable and his play is inconsistent. Even in the Giants game he only made one throw and it really was not all that great...in fact is was borderline horrible. He was lucky Moss (and Will Allen) were on the other end of it. Ramsey's future is elsewhere, our future is Jason Campbell.
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Old 01-18-2006, 07:47 PM   #118
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he didnt play like crap in the chicago game.......
And you can't say he played great in that game and think that any of us will actually take you seriously ever again!

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and maybe if he would have had the whole season to learn under fire maybe he could have been better
And maybe if God had blessed pigs to have wings, they'd fly! That is all you Ramsey apologists will ever have is a bunch of maybes.

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but regardless brunell played like shit in alot of games this year
And you're full of it, because his stats tell us a completely different story!

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..... and of course he can thank gibbs but ask jacksonville they cut brunell and it wasn't a salary cap cut either.....
Of course I thank Gibbs for giving Brunell an opportunity to prove that he can lead us to the playoffs! Gibbs is th' man! What do I care what Jacksonville thinks about players they release?
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I will concede that they will not necessarily be a losing football team in that time, but what I'm trying to say is that even if they are, they need to stick by the kid. He has to learn by playing at some point and the only way to do that is to put him situations where he's not gonna get yanked for playing poorly.
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I'm sorry but anyone who can objectively look at Brunell's entire 2005 season and tell me he didn't play a significant role in those 10 wins is just flat out a Brunell hater.

3050 yards, 23 TDs, only 10 picks, 36 completions over 20 yards, 9 over 40 yards, 85.9 rating, 8 games with a QB rating of at least 90, 4 games with a QB rating over 100, and you're telling me the team won in spite of his efforts?

Please.

Let's put down the Ramsey weed and get back to reality.
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