Free Agent WRs

hail_2_da_skins · 01-18-2006, 08:22 AM

Quit bashing Brunnel and lets get back to the subject -- #2 receiver. Whoever the quarterback is next year will need some better options. Looking at your list, the name that jumps out to me is Brandon Lloyd. San Francisco would be a fool not to resign him. This guy is on the verge of a major breakout and was held back by Frisco's quarterback carosel.
David Givens - Patriot receivers are over-rated
Reggie Wayne - nice pickup, too expensive
Josh Reed - this would be a great acquisition
Randy Hymes - please, a Ravens receiver -- NO
Antonio Bryant - another bum
Antwaan Randle El - good pick, would also help return game
Eric Moulds - once was great, now too old
Joe Jurevicius - ok
Peter Warrick - a major bust, him and Taylor Jacobs could be roomates
Jabar Gaffney - this is the big receiver the Skins need. I like him.
Rod Gardner - been there, done that -- didn't he detonate some bridges
Corey Bradford - not bad
Kevin Johnson - yuck!
Peerless Price - Peerless is worthless
Dez White - another big athletic receiver I would like to see in a Skins uniform
Koren Robinson - drops too many passes
Quincy Morgan - invisible man
Az-Zhair Hakim - had his best years with the Rams, fumble prone and drops passes
Tim Carter - don't know much about him
David Boston - injuries have slowed him down

FRPLG · 01-18-2006, 08:23 AM

offiss.

Has it even crossed your mind that our offense changed dramatically when Patten went down? Was it not as clear to you as it was to many others that when Patten was out Moss clearly had a more difficult time getting open and was overwhelmed with double teams? Do you think it simply escaped everyone at Redskins Park that our WR2s weren't getting balls and they simply ignored it to the complete detriment to the passing game? What we had after Patten went down was:
Jacobs-basically he has proven to be worthless. You can blame Brunell all you want but a QB will look a guys way when he knows that guy will be open. TJ didn't get open. That was of course when he wasn't on the sideline sick. Plus how do you know Brunell didn't look at him and decide he wasn't open? You can't just throw him a ball unless he is open.
Thrash-Probably has a lost a step and therefore isn't suited as much to be a 2 as maybe a 3 or even a 4. A valuable special teamer he also was probably somewhat distracted playing almost 2/3 of the game.
Nobodies-A bunch of barely NFL caliber WRs who are best as special teamers with spot work on offense.

Look I don't understand why you defend Jacobs. He has had chances here and has NEVER done anything. Under this regime and before. The coaches point out that he doesn't do well in games. They actually POINT IT OUT. He isn't a good WR.

So I think TAFKAS is right. We need to look at gamers like JJ. I also think the best option is Randle El. He is exactly the type of guy we need. He can be a solid slot guy and he brings some dimension to the offense with his passing skills and overall athletic ability.

You can bang on Brunell all you want(I have also lately) but I do think the lack of a consistent WR2 and WR3 was not his fault. These guys have to know how to get open and do the little things to be good WRs.

skinsguy · 01-18-2006, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by offiss

Perhaps he was relagated to a possesion type reciever because Brunell couldn't reach him downfield?

Yet he had no problem getting the ball to Santana Moss down the field..yeah that makes alot of sense! :yeahright

FRPLG · 01-18-2006, 08:26 AM

Is it me or does Randle El stick out like a sore thumb on the list? He isn't the biggest name but he definitely has the biggest upside for the money. A good WR who has suceeded in an offense similar to ours. He has speed, athleticism and looks to be one fo those guys who just gets the job done. I would be stunned if he isn't on the top of the Skins wish list. He seems like he fits perfectly into what Gibbs likes to do. Does anyone know if he blocks any good?

Sociofan · 01-18-2006, 08:37 AM

This year's production for Randell-El:

Year Team G Rec Yds Y/G Avg Lng YAC 1stD TD
2005-06 Pittsburgh 16 35 558 34.9 15.9 63 5.7 23 1

His production started to tail off although he's never had more than 47 catches (his first year). As much as he's been talked about, I expected to see higher output. And this was supposed to be his year having been moved to the number 2 spot with Burress going to the NYG. He does have good return numbers, but that would be better suited for a #3 or #4 receiver. If he is not too expensive and Patten comes back strong, he might be worth it, but not as a number 2.

FRPLG · 01-18-2006, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Sociofan

This year's production for Randell-El:

Year Team G Rec Yds Y/G Avg Lng YAC 1stD TD
2005-06 Pittsburgh 16 35 558 34.9 15.9 63 5.7 23 1

His production started to tail off although he's never had more than 47 catches (his first year). As much as he's been talked about, I expected to see higher output. And this was supposed to be his year having been moved to the number 2 spot with Burress going to the NYG. He does have good return numbers, but that would be better suited for a #3 or #4 receiver. If he is not too expensive and Patten comes back strong, he might be worth it, but not as a number 2.

What are you looking for out of a WR2 or WR3? I am not looking for a guy to catch 70 balls. Give me who gets the job done. Notice 23 or his 35 catches were for 1st downs. That is pretty good. Pittsburg is much like us. They pound the ball. There WR2 isn't going to get a bunch of balls unless he is a WR1 at the WR2 spot like Burress was. I think a core of Moss/Patten/Randle EL is significantly better than what we has this year. It even allows us an injury and we still have two legitimate athletes at the spot.

FRPLG · 01-18-2006, 08:49 AM

This si Scounting Inc's. notes on Randle El.

Quote:

Not a true speed receiver, but he has exceptional foot quickness with and without the ball in his hands. He shows excellent quickness to beat press coverage in the slot. He is excellent working the middle of the field from the slot. Can avoid LB's in line and find the voids across the middle. Solid route runner that show good quickness getting out of his routes. He is a playmaker with the ball in his hands. Have to get him the ball quickly and he can make a play. Will weave, dart and jump cut to avoid. He is a slippery receiver that is extremely tough to bring down in the open field. Small receiver, but he shows the toughness to catch in traffic. Gives good blocking effort, but he lacks size and can get over-powered at times.

Sounds like a good WR2/3 for us. Won't demand the highest prfoile or money and can do some things with the ball. he does have some issues but so will any guy we are talking about as a WR2/3.

Mattyk · 01-18-2006, 08:50 AM

Jeez, nobody on this list really jumps out at me as a must have kinda guy. Gibbs and co. have some homework to do.

SC Skins Fan · 01-18-2006, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by That Guy

if curtis is available i'd give up our 3rd (possibly Sinorice Moss) for him. He's been great as a #3

I'd still try to get KR and reche too though, none would be expensive and our entire WR corp after moss is dumpster material. What round was burleson drafted? he's a good #2...

But can't the team make a high enough tender that signing that player would require a #1 pick? Remember, Coles was a third-rounder, but we had to give up the #13 overall pick for him. I believe that is how RFA works, there are several levels of tender...at one level you have to give up a pick in the round that player was chosen, but at the next level it turns into a first rounder. I suspect both of those players will get high tenders (and the Skins obviously do not have a first round pick).

Big C · 01-18-2006, 09:19 AM

lloyd will probably be tendered, might get 1st round tender

Hog1 · 01-18-2006, 09:21 AM

I don't know if he is our guy, but Randall El is a "party" on a trick play. You know Joe has to like that

jrocx69 · 01-18-2006, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hail_2_da_skins

Quit bashing Brunnel and lets get back to the subject -- #2 receiver. Whoever the quarterback is next year will need some better options. Looking at your list, the name that jumps out to me is Brandon Lloyd. San Francisco would be a fool not to resign him. This guy is on the verge of a major breakout and was held back by Frisco's quarterback carosel.
David Givens - Patriot receivers are over-rated
Reggie Wayne - nice pickup, too expensive
Josh Reed - this would be a great acquisition
Randy Hymes - please, a Ravens receiver -- NO
Antonio Bryant - another bum
Antwaan Randle El - good pick, would also help return game
Eric Moulds - once was great, now too old
Joe Jurevicius - ok
Peter Warrick - a major bust, him and Taylor Jacobs could be roomates
Jabar Gaffney - this is the big receiver the Skins need. I like him.
Rod Gardner - been there, done that -- didn't he detonate some bridges
Corey Bradford - not bad
Kevin Johnson - yuck!
Peerless Price - Peerless is worthless
Dez White - another big athletic receiver I would like to see in a Skins uniform
Koren Robinson - drops too many passes
Quincy Morgan - invisible man
Az-Zhair Hakim - had his best years with the Rams, fumble prone and drops passes
Tim Carter - don't know much about him
David Boston - injuries have slowed him down

We need big and move the chains kind of guy here.

UFA’s

1)David Givens NE/ Solid #2
2)Reggie Wayne Ind/ to much money and already have moss
3)Josh Reed Buf/ never really fit in buffalo, may not work here
4)Randy Hymes Bal/ NO bal wr?? look at his qb, should be a nice pickup
5)Antonio Bryant Cle/ threw a towell in parcells face
6)Antwaan Randle El Pit/ Nice #3 wr but to much money for #3
7)Eric Moulds Buf/ Solid pick up with leadership to help everyone
8)Joe Jurevicius Sea/ Solid pick up with leadership and 6'5" frame
9)Peter Warrick Sea/ bust
10)Jabar Gaffney Hou/ may be ok, but not worth the risk
11)Rod Gardner Car/ LOL
12)Corey Bradford Hou/big body with some speed, this one up in the air
13)Kevin Johnson Det/ NO
14)Peerless Price Dal/ NO
15)Dez White Atl/ Big and athletic, another toss up based on no productivity
16)Koren Robinson Min/ NO
17)Quincy Morgan Pit/ NO
18)Az-Zhair Hakim /NO
19)Tim Carter NYG/ Very fast and avg height, not really proven enough
20)David Boston Mia/ LOL
21)Ike Hillard TB/ old florida WR,,, NO
22)Troy Brown NE/ Old and short with aging speed, no
23)Tim Dwight NE/ old and short with speed coming to an end soon
24)Jerome Pathon Atl/ typical #3 wr, no
25)Charles Lee Ari/ playing behind Fitz and Boldin is hard, toss up
26)Marc Boerighter KC/ seemed like he was worth value, look at stats, NO
27)Reggie Swinton Ari/ typical return guy, i think we had him on Try out team b4
28)Troy Walters Ind/ NO, return guy
29)Patrick Johnson Bal/ wont work out again, retire dude

RFA’s

1)Brandon Lloyd SF/ streaky and appears to be really stupid, RFA=1st RD
2)Patrick Crayton Dal/NO
3)Nate Burleson Min/NO, 6 footer
4)Eddie Drummond Det/ KR no
5)Kevin Walter Cin/ seen him against Pit, looked good, worth a try
6)Shaun McDonald Stl/ dont really need, short and speedy
7)Willie Ponder NYG/ appears to be great on SP's
8)Kevin Curtis Stl/ same with his buddy two names up
9)Kelley Washington Cin/ young and not proven, attitude issues trail as well
10)David Tyree NYG/ havent heard of
11)Derick Armstrong Hou/ havent heard of
12)Kaseem Osgood SD/ ummmm NO?, yeah no
13)Arnaz Battle SF/ could be what we are looking for, 6'2' with good hands
14)Chris Horn KC/ no
15)Bryan Gilmore Mia/ no

skinsfan1982 · 01-18-2006, 10:39 AM

I think David Patten and Patrick Ramsey played well together in the preseason; Ramsey threw about 5-6 20 yard deep outs to patten in those games, and they looked like they had chemistry. At that time, from waht i saw in the preseason, I thought Patten would be Ramsey's favorite target, and while we would get big chunks of yardages, there would be turnovers too. Hopefully Patten plays 100% next year, and we have a quaterback playing next year who is willing to spread the ball around and is accurate on those 15-20 yard outs (minus the turnovers). I liked what i saw out of Brunell the first half off the season, but he seemed unable to spread the ball around toward the end of the season, and played mediocre football after the the first Bucs game.

I like Randy Hymes since he is a big, strong target.
I like Kevin Curtis, since he is a speedy big play threat.
I hope we can draft Sinorice Moss in the later rounds because it would be like having Santana Moss and Steve Smith on the same team, and then find a big tall target like Randy Hymes or a big TE who can get downfield via free agency.

firstdown · 01-18-2006, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by offiss

I beleive Patton would have been high on that list if he was still with New England, what makes anyone think that any of these guy's will flurish as a #2 in our offense, our offense is like the elephant graveyard for #2 WR's this is where they come to never be heard from again, whether it's Brunell or the offensive scheme take your pick, but spending big money on a high profile WR, to have him run sprints in practice, and play an apparent decoy in the games is a waste of money.

I wont argue the fact that maybe Patten is best as a #3 reciever, but we have had plenty of #2's and Brunell hasen't been able to hook up with any of them.

I wonder how T. Jacobs would be doing if he played in New England, he actually reminds me of David Givens a bit, without the QB of coarse.

Jacobs would have three catches for 13 yards and only played 2 games due to injuries an illness.

Mattyk · 01-18-2006, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skinsfan1982

I think David Patten and Patrick Ramsey played well together in the preseason; Ramsey threw about 5-6 20 yard deep outs to patten in those games, and they looked like they had chemistry. At that time, from waht i saw in the preseason, I thought Patten would be Ramsey's favorite target, and while we would get big chunks of yardages, there would be turnovers too. Hopefully Patten plays 100% next year, and we have a quaterback playing next year who is willing to spread the ball around and is accurate on those 15-20 yard outs (minus the turnovers). I liked what i saw out of Brunell the first half off the season, but he seemed unable to spread the ball around toward the end of the season, and played mediocre football after the the first Bucs game.

I like Randy Hymes since he is a big, strong target.
I like Kevin Curtis, since he is a speedy big play threat.
I hope we can draft Sinorice Moss in the later rounds because it would be like having Santana Moss and Steve Smith on the same team, and then find a big tall target like Randy Hymes or a big TE who can get downfield via free agency.

Good point about Patten playing well in the preseason, it might make sense that Brunell and Patten just never quite got on the same page because of how Moss just exploded. I think with how Moss was playing so well, the gameplan naturally tilted in his direction and Brunell and Moss quickly developed a chemistry together. By the time teams started taking Moss away and Patten would have had the chance to step up, he went out with the injury.

01-18-2006, 08:22 AM	#16
hail_2_da_skins Impact Rookie Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: St. Louis, MO Age: 57 Posts: 862	Re: Free Agent WRs Quit bashing Brunnel and lets get back to the subject -- #2 receiver. Whoever the quarterback is next year will need some better options. Looking at your list, the name that jumps out to me is Brandon Lloyd. San Francisco would be a fool not to resign him. This guy is on the verge of a major breakout and was held back by Frisco's quarterback carosel. David Givens - Patriot receivers are over-rated Reggie Wayne - nice pickup, too expensive Josh Reed - this would be a great acquisition Randy Hymes - please, a Ravens receiver -- NO Antonio Bryant - another bum Antwaan Randle El - good pick, would also help return game Eric Moulds - once was great, now too old Joe Jurevicius - ok Peter Warrick - a major bust, him and Taylor Jacobs could be roomates Jabar Gaffney - this is the big receiver the Skins need. I like him. Rod Gardner - been there, done that -- didn't he detonate some bridges Corey Bradford - not bad Kevin Johnson - yuck! Peerless Price - Peerless is worthless Dez White - another big athletic receiver I would like to see in a Skins uniform Koren Robinson - drops too many passes Quincy Morgan - invisible man Az-Zhair Hakim - had his best years with the Rams, fumble prone and drops passes Tim Carter - don't know much about him David Boston - injuries have slowed him down __________________ "HAIL TO THE SKINS"

01-18-2006, 08:23 AM	#17
FRPLG Franchise Player Join Date: May 2004 Age: 34 Posts: 9,232	Re: Free Agent WRs offiss. Has it even crossed your mind that our offense changed dramatically when Patten went down? Was it not as clear to you as it was to many others that when Patten was out Moss clearly had a more difficult time getting open and was overwhelmed with double teams? Do you think it simply escaped everyone at Redskins Park that our WR2s weren't getting balls and they simply ignored it to the complete detriment to the passing game? What we had after Patten went down was: Jacobs-basically he has proven to be worthless. You can blame Brunell all you want but a QB will look a guys way when he knows that guy will be open. TJ didn't get open. That was of course when he wasn't on the sideline sick. Plus how do you know Brunell didn't look at him and decide he wasn't open? You can't just throw him a ball unless he is open. Thrash-Probably has a lost a step and therefore isn't suited as much to be a 2 as maybe a 3 or even a 4. A valuable special teamer he also was probably somewhat distracted playing almost 2/3 of the game. Nobodies-A bunch of barely NFL caliber WRs who are best as special teamers with spot work on offense. Look I don't understand why you defend Jacobs. He has had chances here and has NEVER done anything. Under this regime and before. The coaches point out that he doesn't do well in games. They actually POINT IT OUT. He isn't a good WR. So I think TAFKAS is right. We need to look at gamers like JJ. I also think the best option is Randle El. He is exactly the type of guy we need. He can be a solid slot guy and he brings some dimension to the offense with his passing skills and overall athletic ability. You can bang on Brunell all you want(I have also lately) but I do think the lack of a consistent WR2 and WR3 was not his fault. These guys have to know how to get open and do the little things to be good WRs.

01-18-2006, 08:26 AM	#19
FRPLG Franchise Player Join Date: May 2004 Age: 34 Posts: 9,232	Re: Free Agent WRs Is it me or does Randle El stick out like a sore thumb on the list? He isn't the biggest name but he definitely has the biggest upside for the money. A good WR who has suceeded in an offense similar to ours. He has speed, athleticism and looks to be one fo those guys who just gets the job done. I would be stunned if he isn't on the top of the Skins wish list. He seems like he fits perfectly into what Gibbs likes to do. Does anyone know if he blocks any good?

01-18-2006, 08:37 AM	#20
Sociofan Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Gainesville, VA Age: 48 Posts: 380	Re: Free Agent WRs This year's production for Randell-El: Year Team G Rec Yds Y/G Avg Lng YAC 1stD TD 2005-06 Pittsburgh 16 35 558 34.9 15.9 63 5.7 23 1 His production started to tail off although he's never had more than 47 catches (his first year). As much as he's been talked about, I expected to see higher output. And this was supposed to be his year having been moved to the number 2 spot with Burress going to the NYG. He does have good return numbers, but that would be better suited for a #3 or #4 receiver. If he is not too expensive and Patten comes back strong, he might be worth it, but not as a number 2.

01-18-2006, 08:50 AM	#23
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,751	Re: Free Agent WRs Jeez, nobody on this list really jumps out at me as a must have kinda guy. Gibbs and co. have some homework to do. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

01-18-2006, 09:19 AM	#25
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Fairfax, Virginia Age: 27 Posts: 4,423	Re: Free Agent WRs lloyd will probably be tendered, might get 1st round tender __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

01-18-2006, 09:21 AM	#26
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 8,378	Re: Free Agent WRs I don't know if he is our guy, but Randall El is a "party" on a trick play. You know Joe has to like that __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... Win! Always win! By fair means or foul, by soft words and hard deeds... by treachery, by cunning, by malpractice... but always win--Edward Teach

01-18-2006, 10:39 AM	#28
skinsfan1982 Camp Scrub Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 14	Re: Free Agent WRs I think David Patten and Patrick Ramsey played well together in the preseason; Ramsey threw about 5-6 20 yard deep outs to patten in those games, and they looked like they had chemistry. At that time, from waht i saw in the preseason, I thought Patten would be Ramsey's favorite target, and while we would get big chunks of yardages, there would be turnovers too. Hopefully Patten plays 100% next year, and we have a quaterback playing next year who is willing to spread the ball around and is accurate on those 15-20 yard outs (minus the turnovers). I liked what i saw out of Brunell the first half off the season, but he seemed unable to spread the ball around toward the end of the season, and played mediocre football after the the first Bucs game. I like Randy Hymes since he is a big, strong target. I like Kevin Curtis, since he is a speedy big play threat. I hope we can draft Sinorice Moss in the later rounds because it would be like having Santana Moss and Steve Smith on the same team, and then find a big tall target like Randy Hymes or a big TE who can get downfield via free agency.

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