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Old 01-18-2006, 06:39 AM   #16
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Perhaps he was relagated to a possesion type reciever because Brunell couldn't reach him downfield?

Hurt? OK, it seems everytime a Skin fails he's hurt, Brunell doesn't suck he was hurt. Everytime somebody stinks up the joint and he's a hand picked big contract player he's hurt. I am tired of the excuses, especially when the player themselves say they are not hurt, ALA Brunell, and Lavar.

Personally I don't believe Patton is a bust, he's proven, the fact that Brunell couldn't get him involved is not his fault, Brady never had that problem.
Ohhhhhh, I DO see the wisdom of the injury thing. Soooo, Ramseys been hurt ehhh??????
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Old 01-18-2006, 08:30 AM   #17
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Ohhhhhh, I DO see the wisdom of the injury thing. Soooo, Ramseys been hurt ehhh??????

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Old 01-18-2006, 08:50 AM   #18
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I beleive Patton would have been high on that list if he was still with New England, what makes anyone think that any of these guy's will flurish as a #2 in our offense, our offense is like the elephant graveyard for #2 WR's this is where they come to never be heard from again, whether it's Brunell or the offensive scheme take your pick, but spending big money on a high profile WR, to have him run sprints in practice, and play an apparent decoy in the games is a waste of money.

I wont argue the fact that maybe Patten is best as a #3 reciever, but we have had plenty of #2's and Brunell hasen't been able to hook up with any of them.

I wonder how T. Jacobs would be doing if he played in New England, he actually reminds me of David Givens a bit, without the QB of coarse.
I'm glad you put some thought into this before you just starting bashing the QB that got you to the playoffs for the first time since '99 and a scheme that has had some of the great 1-2 punches in the league... Charley Brown, Art Monk...Gary Clark, Art Monk... Nice Job! :yeahright
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Old 01-18-2006, 09:10 AM   #19
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offiss likes the skins, he just hates everyone on their roster
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Old 01-18-2006, 09:19 AM   #20
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offiss likes the skins, he just hates everyone on their roster
Prophetic wisdom indeed!
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Quit bashing Brunnel and lets get back to the subject -- #2 receiver. Whoever the quarterback is next year will need some better options. Looking at your list, the name that jumps out to me is Brandon Lloyd. San Francisco would be a fool not to resign him. This guy is on the verge of a major breakout and was held back by Frisco's quarterback carosel.
David Givens - Patriot receivers are over-rated
Reggie Wayne - nice pickup, too expensive
Josh Reed - this would be a great acquisition
Randy Hymes - please, a Ravens receiver -- NO
Antonio Bryant - another bum
Antwaan Randle El - good pick, would also help return game
Eric Moulds - once was great, now too old
Joe Jurevicius - ok
Peter Warrick - a major bust, him and Taylor Jacobs could be roomates
Jabar Gaffney - this is the big receiver the Skins need. I like him.
Rod Gardner - been there, done that -- didn't he detonate some bridges
Corey Bradford - not bad
Kevin Johnson - yuck!
Peerless Price - Peerless is worthless
Dez White - another big athletic receiver I would like to see in a Skins uniform
Koren Robinson - drops too many passes
Quincy Morgan - invisible man
Az-Zhair Hakim - had his best years with the Rams, fumble prone and drops passes
Tim Carter - don't know much about him
David Boston - injuries have slowed him down
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Old 01-18-2006, 09:23 AM   #22
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offiss.

Has it even crossed your mind that our offense changed dramatically when Patten went down? Was it not as clear to you as it was to many others that when Patten was out Moss clearly had a more difficult time getting open and was overwhelmed with double teams? Do you think it simply escaped everyone at Redskins Park that our WR2s weren't getting balls and they simply ignored it to the complete detriment to the passing game? What we had after Patten went down was:
Jacobs-basically he has proven to be worthless. You can blame Brunell all you want but a QB will look a guys way when he knows that guy will be open. TJ didn't get open. That was of course when he wasn't on the sideline sick. Plus how do you know Brunell didn't look at him and decide he wasn't open? You can't just throw him a ball unless he is open.
Thrash-Probably has a lost a step and therefore isn't suited as much to be a 2 as maybe a 3 or even a 4. A valuable special teamer he also was probably somewhat distracted playing almost 2/3 of the game.
Nobodies-A bunch of barely NFL caliber WRs who are best as special teamers with spot work on offense.

Look I don't understand why you defend Jacobs. He has had chances here and has NEVER done anything. Under this regime and before. The coaches point out that he doesn't do well in games. They actually POINT IT OUT. He isn't a good WR.

So I think TAFKAS is right. We need to look at gamers like JJ. I also think the best option is Randle El. He is exactly the type of guy we need. He can be a solid slot guy and he brings some dimension to the offense with his passing skills and overall athletic ability.

You can bang on Brunell all you want(I have also lately) but I do think the lack of a consistent WR2 and WR3 was not his fault. These guys have to know how to get open and do the little things to be good WRs.
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Old 01-18-2006, 09:24 AM   #23
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Perhaps he was relagated to a possesion type reciever because Brunell couldn't reach him downfield?
Yet he had no problem getting the ball to Santana Moss down the field..yeah that makes alot of sense! :yeahright
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Old 01-18-2006, 09:26 AM   #24
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Is it me or does Randle El stick out like a sore thumb on the list? He isn't the biggest name but he definitely has the biggest upside for the money. A good WR who has suceeded in an offense similar to ours. He has speed, athleticism and looks to be one fo those guys who just gets the job done. I would be stunned if he isn't on the top of the Skins wish list. He seems like he fits perfectly into what Gibbs likes to do. Does anyone know if he blocks any good?
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Old 01-18-2006, 09:37 AM   #25
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This year's production for Randell-El:

Year Team G Rec Yds Y/G Avg Lng YAC 1stD TD
2005-06 Pittsburgh 16 35 558 34.9 15.9 63 5.7 23 1

His production started to tail off although he's never had more than 47 catches (his first year). As much as he's been talked about, I expected to see higher output. And this was supposed to be his year having been moved to the number 2 spot with Burress going to the NYG. He does have good return numbers, but that would be better suited for a #3 or #4 receiver. If he is not too expensive and Patten comes back strong, he might be worth it, but not as a number 2.
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Old 01-18-2006, 09:46 AM   #26
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This year's production for Randell-El:

Year Team G Rec Yds Y/G Avg Lng YAC 1stD TD
2005-06 Pittsburgh 16 35 558 34.9 15.9 63 5.7 23 1

His production started to tail off although he's never had more than 47 catches (his first year). As much as he's been talked about, I expected to see higher output. And this was supposed to be his year having been moved to the number 2 spot with Burress going to the NYG. He does have good return numbers, but that would be better suited for a #3 or #4 receiver. If he is not too expensive and Patten comes back strong, he might be worth it, but not as a number 2.
What are you looking for out of a WR2 or WR3? I am not looking for a guy to catch 70 balls. Give me who gets the job done. Notice 23 or his 35 catches were for 1st downs. That is pretty good. Pittsburg is much like us. They pound the ball. There WR2 isn't going to get a bunch of balls unless he is a WR1 at the WR2 spot like Burress was. I think a core of Moss/Patten/Randle EL is significantly better than what we has this year. It even allows us an injury and we still have two legitimate athletes at the spot.
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Old 01-18-2006, 09:49 AM   #27
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This si Scounting Inc's. notes on Randle El.
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Not a true speed receiver, but he has exceptional foot quickness with and without the ball in his hands. He shows excellent quickness to beat press coverage in the slot. He is excellent working the middle of the field from the slot. Can avoid LB's in line and find the voids across the middle. Solid route runner that show good quickness getting out of his routes. He is a playmaker with the ball in his hands. Have to get him the ball quickly and he can make a play. Will weave, dart and jump cut to avoid. He is a slippery receiver that is extremely tough to bring down in the open field. Small receiver, but he shows the toughness to catch in traffic. Gives good blocking effort, but he lacks size and can get over-powered at times.
Sounds like a good WR2/3 for us. Won't demand the highest prfoile or money and can do some things with the ball. he does have some issues but so will any guy we are talking about as a WR2/3.
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Jeez, nobody on this list really jumps out at me as a must have kinda guy. Gibbs and co. have some homework to do.
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if curtis is available i'd give up our 3rd (possibly Sinorice Moss) for him. He's been great as a #3 I'd still try to get KR and reche too though, none would be expensive and our entire WR corp after moss is dumpster material. What round was burleson drafted? he's a good #2...
But can't the team make a high enough tender that signing that player would require a #1 pick? Remember, Coles was a third-rounder, but we had to give up the #13 overall pick for him. I believe that is how RFA works, there are several levels of tender...at one level you have to give up a pick in the round that player was chosen, but at the next level it turns into a first rounder. I suspect both of those players will get high tenders (and the Skins obviously do not have a first round pick).
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lloyd will probably be tendered, might get 1st round tender
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