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Old 01-21-2006, 12:42 AM   #16
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he was also drafted by gibbs in the 12th round in 1991

but he's way too old
yup.. but he might be another henry ellard. give the team a couple of solid years... still, someone like isaac bruce, or jimmy smith might be out there and fit the same mold and give the team a bit more time.

i am not saying that is the way the team should go, only that there are alternatives out there besides breaking the bank for someone like wayne.
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Old 01-21-2006, 12:48 AM   #17
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thats why were fans and gibbs is the coach/gm

i trust that he'll make the right choice
i am not being unfairly critical but i do think that in retrospect the front office really misjudged the receiver corps this year-- and the offense paid for it the last portion of the season. even before he went down, patten was far from an impact player. he is no legitimate number 2. they also grossly misjudged what jacobs was capable of accomplishing. they thought thrash would be able to step up to the number 2 slot if needed. they realized they had little in mccants, but by then it was too late.

i do not think they will make the same mistake again this offseason, but there is no getting around the fact that they assembled an inadequate receiver corps this year.
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Old 01-21-2006, 01:08 AM   #18
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i am not being unfairly critical but i do think that in retrospect the front office really misjudged the receiver corps this year-- and the offense paid for it the last portion of the season. even before he went down, patten was far from an impact player. he is no legitimate number 2. they also grossly misjudged what jacobs was capable of accomplishing. they thought thrash would be able to step up to the number 2 slot if needed. they realized they had little in mccants, but by then it was too late.

i do not think they will make the same mistake again this offseason, but there is no getting around the fact that they assembled an inadequate receiver corps this year.
patten was starting to get better before he got hurt, jacobs was already on the team and they had to give him a chance, and thrash was always hurt....but when u have moss and cooley, i dont see how u could say they misjudged the receiving corps
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Old 01-21-2006, 02:21 AM   #19
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Boy, McCardell is tempting. He's a super-smart guy, disciplined and tough. Parcells singled him out for praise after the first game of the year. But, he's got to be 35 or 36 now right?

Can somebody tell me why we shouldn't go after Reggie Wayne with the full Joe Gibbs on Redskins 1 treatment? I think Moss Wayne Patten Cooley Portis puts us in the Super Bowl.
money and cap space. his contract would be so big that we'd have to release people in the next 2-3 years due in large part to the contract he'd get (moss's contract isn't big compared to his results, so if S moss keeps pace his contract will actually be drastically undervalued). We can get someone like KR + a couple other mid tier picks for far less and have better depth and a much better cap picture without a gigantic falloff in stats (comparing 2-3 new WRs to wayne only).
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I want to them add Antwan Randle-El and either Jurevicius or Antonio Bryant. I don't believe that a big bodied receiver is necessary, but I think that Jurevicius or Bryant can really help this team.
I have to say I to like Bryant as well but his off field things may keep him away!
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Old 01-21-2006, 02:58 AM   #21
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i am not being unfairly critical but i do think that in retrospect the front office really misjudged the receiver corps this year-- and the offense paid for it the last portion of the season. even before he went down, patten was far from an impact player. he is no legitimate number 2. they also grossly misjudged what jacobs was capable of accomplishing. they thought thrash would be able to step up to the number 2 slot if needed. they realized they had little in mccants, but by then it was too late.

i do not think they will make the same mistake again this offseason, but there is no getting around the fact that they assembled an inadequate receiver corps this year.
I think if you said one of the two new WR's[Moss or Patten ] would have the season Moss had they[FO] would have taken it. To have a trade for Moss go so well....so far! Is much more then anyone could have guessed. All the talking heads said that Moss was over paid by the Redskins and the Jets got the better end of the deal. Gibbs has away of finding WR's like Clark[I believe USFL] or Sanders in the draft! What about C.Brown or the Great Monk? Gibbs see the free agent market as just another part of the draft. As for what the Redskins had coming in Gibbs knew at the end of 04 season he need to up grade. They did there best with what was out there. Remember cost is a big factor and getting Moss for Coles did cost money. Yes I think the FO did reached on Patten but I still believe is a good 3rd WR. Would you give a 3rd round pick for lets say Rams WR Kevin Curtis? There is so many ways to go its just getting it done.
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Old 01-21-2006, 03:56 AM   #22
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Rank Player DT Age TKL SACK Evaluation

R Cedric Killings 29 9 0 Re-Sign
1 Rocky Bernard 27 42 8.5 Up & Coming
2 Larry Tripplett 27 24 4 Up & Coming
3 Ryan Pickett 27 47 2 Up & Coming
4 Kendrick Clancy 28 30 2 Up & Coming (Giants Starter)
5 Damione Lewis 28 27 1 Up & Coming
6 Ma'ake Kemoeatu 27 30 1 Up & Coming
I think resigning Killings is a big deal because the guy did a great job pushing the interior of the line back on limited action plus his name is Killings. I mean seriously has there ever been a better name for a defensive player ever?!
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Old 01-21-2006, 07:40 AM   #23
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patten was starting to get better before he got hurt, jacobs was already on the team and they had to give him a chance, and thrash was always hurt....but when u have moss and cooley, i dont see how u could say they misjudged the receiving corps
well, hindsight is 20/20 and the proof is in the results... it is kind of like what happened when spurrier assembled all those florida receivers and the consensus was that they were a bunch of stiffs. that is exactly what they proved out to be.
my point is simply that sometimes the prevailing wisdom is correct. the skins had a false optimism about the receiving corps. jacobs had never shown anything before that was anything close to proof that he could be an nfl receiver. thrash was found totally wanting by the eagles who were desperate for a number 1 or 2 receiver in years past. patten was the most expendable member of a new england receiving corps that looks better because of the excellence of tom brady. whom did they have that had proven he could be a reliable #2 receiver? no one.. that is exactly how it played out.
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I think if you said one of the two new WR's[Moss or Patten ] would have the season Moss had they[FO] would have taken it. To have a trade for Moss go so well....so far! Is much more then anyone could have guessed. All the talking heads said that Moss was over paid by the Redskins and the Jets got the better end of the deal. Gibbs has away of finding WR's like Clark[I believe USFL] or Sanders in the draft! What about C.Brown or the Great Monk? Gibbs see the free agent market as just another part of the draft. As for what the Redskins had coming in Gibbs knew at the end of 04 season he need to up grade. They did there best with what was out there. Remember cost is a big factor and getting Moss for Coles did cost money. Yes I think the FO did reached on Patten but I still believe is a good 3rd WR. Would you give a 3rd round pick for lets say Rams WR Kevin Curtis? There is so many ways to go its just getting it done.
i see no reason to pay a 3rd rounder for curtis' services. there are quite a few players who would not cost a pick inthe draft. if we were going to go after a RFA, lloyd would be a better option. still, i think a guy like reggie wayne or david givens would be a better option. also, moulds if he is released.
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Old 01-21-2006, 07:48 AM   #25
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I think resigning Killings is a big deal because the guy did a great job pushing the interior of the line back on limited action plus his name is Killings. I mean seriously has there ever been a better name for a defensive player ever?!

killings did step up the latter part of the season. both boschetti and aki jones faded and spent most of the latter part of the year onthe inactive list. same with nic clemons. not sure if theses guys are going to step up or if they have maxed out and need to be replaced. we did so well with griffin that getting clancy fromthe giants might be another terrific signing. i expect noble will retire so it means we need a 4th interior lineman from somewhere to fill out the rotation. could be the draft or free agency
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I want to them add Antwan Randle-El and either Jurevicius or Antonio Bryant. I don't believe that a big bodied receiver is necessary, but I think that Jurevicius or Bryant can really help this team.
I agree, Randle-El would give us a guy who could be a returner and receiver and insurance in case Moss went down. Patten is more of a fast route runner, but I bet that Randle-El could run the screen effectively ala Moss.

Jurevicius would be a good add also, but I think Thrash can fill the role of 4th receiver just fine.

Moss, Patten, Randle-El, Cooley, Portis... I think those are enough options for the QB.
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Old 01-21-2006, 01:00 PM   #27
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i see no reason to pay a 3rd rounder for curtis' services. there are quite a few players who would not cost a pick inthe draft. if we were going to go after a RFA, lloyd would be a better option. still, i think a guy like reggie wayne or david givens would be a better option. also, moulds if he is released.
lloyd is nowhere close to kevin curtis. Wayne and moulds will cost too much and you railed against patten but now you want to try another NE WR?

also you said something about patten not being a #2, but without a full year it'd be hard to tell (once he left our passing numbers dropped by 86 yards a game though, even with brunells two terrible games late, that is pretty stark). I agree that we need 2-3 more WRs though (between KR, KC, or maybe grabbing S moss, and bring in a min salary guy like reche C cause he's better than 4 of the guys we had playing WR this year)
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Old 01-21-2006, 01:06 PM   #28
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killings did step up the latter part of the season. both boschetti and aki jones faded and spent most of the latter part of the year onthe inactive list. same with nic clemons. not sure if theses guys are going to step up or if they have maxed out and need to be replaced. we did so well with griffin that getting clancy fromthe giants might be another terrific signing. i expect noble will retire so it means we need a 4th interior lineman from somewhere to fill out the rotation. could be the draft or free agency
clemons couldn't stay with his assignments (tried being superman) and so he got pulled. aki barely made the roster to begin with... I didn't really like boschetti much either, not that he was horrible, but without C griff and big joe, the line stunk. If the next man up can't play well enough to go unnoticed for at least 3-4 plays then he shouldn't be taking the field. Noble i believe retired, but He and Brown (and Green) were all offered jobs in some FO/coaching capacity, so they might be back in that sense.

as for DT #2/#3, cheap options include rocky bernard or rafting tapp and moving him inside after he bulks up. triplett is also out there, but may be more expensive than the team would need for a guy that sees much more limited snap counts.
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Old 01-21-2006, 03:56 PM   #29
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if we could get dt l tripplett and og s hutcheson and wr k robinson and cb and de vande bosch or the like we could be real bad next year. but the cap is the thing.i expect danny and his cap guru's to do a job on the cap.it's going to be be an interesting off season. don't want to do too much and yet there are places of clear need wether it be for depth or starting. here's to j gibbs kind of player
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I'd love to have Randle El as a wr. He can make huge plays for the team.
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