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Old 02-02-2006, 09:07 AM   #61
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Old 02-02-2006, 09:19 AM   #62
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Czaben has some decent posts on the topic. I like his response to King's ranking Ricky Sanders as a bigger threat than Monk:

http://czabe.com/daily/archives/2006...ex.html#000186


There's another one later on in the same page.
Interesting comment about the pro bowl selections in light of the fact that most people on this thread think players should vote for HOF. Obviously the players were not watching when Riggo was playing because they are the ones who vote for the pro bowl.

Like I said, as imperfect a system as it is, the sports writers are the best source for voting players into the HOF.
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I think it should be a four-pronged attack. Players, fans, coaches and current hall-of-famers.
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I have to go with irish on this one - I think fans and players are rather unqualified to determine "the best of all time". I think coaches could be a valuable addition to the process, though.
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I have to go with irish on this one - I think fans and players are rather unqualified to determine "the best of all time". I think coaches could be a valuable addition to the process, though.
I think the coaches are involved (and fans too) although not directly. The media is always talking to players, caoches & fans so they do not make their decision in a vacuum.
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I think the coaches are involved (and fans too) although not directly. The media is always talking to players, caoches & fans so they do not make their decision in a vacuum.
I meant getting them directly involved might be helpful to the process. They, generally, know how to evaluate talent. That said, I'm not sure I want Mike Tice having input into the process...
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Contract me will ya. I'll raise your contract another contract.
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Love the wikipedia entry on Peter King - Clearly the entry was written by a Skins fan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_K...portswriter%29
King's credibility has recently been damaged by his capricious and arbitrary opposition to allowing Washington Redskin great Art Monk into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. King's increasingly defensive and incoherent rants on the subject have led to accusations of geographical bias.

I wonder what rascal did that? The style seem eerily familiar.
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Like I said, as imperfect a system as it is, the sports writers are the best source for voting players into the HOF.


i'd have to respectfully disagree with that statement just for the simple fact that it is the MEDIA voters that are keeping monk out of the hof. that fact alone, shows just how much out of touch the media is with the understanding of the game known as the NFL. seems like every FAN or EX PLAYER, when asked about monk not being in the hof , all say that it is a crime that he hasn't been voted in yet.
media people are too interrested in providing a "GOOD STORY" moreso than understanding the true interworkings of a successfull footbal team. media folk fall in love with players like micheal irving, dion sanders, etc....players that always give them something to write about. media folk don't recognize how good monk was or how much monk meant to the skins or how well monk played the game by doing the other things like blocking for a teammate or making a catch for a first down to keep a drive going or being a smart player by not commiting penalties or always knowing were the first down marker is.
media people have no clue to the importance and value that monk possessed. he never cared to speak with the media therfore the media payed no attention to him.
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i'd have to respectfully disagree with that statement just for the simple fact that it is the MEDIA voters that are keeping monk out of the hof. that fact alone, shows just how much out of touch the media is with the understanding of the game known as the NFL. seems like every FAN or EX PLAYER, when asked about monk not being in the hof , all say that it is a crime that he hasn't been voted in yet.
media people are too interrested in providing a "GOOD STORY" moreso than understanding the true interworkings of a successfull footbal team. media folk fall in love with players like micheal irving, dion sanders, etc....players that always give them something to write about. media folk don't recognize how good monk was or how much monk meant to the skins or how well monk played the game by doing the other things like blocking for a teammate or making a catch for a first down to keep a drive going or being a smart player by not commiting penalties or always knowing were the first down marker is.
media people have no clue to the importance and value that monk possessed. he never cared to speak with the media therfore the media payed no attention to him.
Unfortunately, there aren't too many fans outside of DC who know that either. Or current players. We're talking the lesser evil here, and the media is it. As I have said before, I think the proper check on them is to limit the time people serve on the Board.
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Unfortunately, there aren't too many fans outside of DC who know that either. Or current players. We're talking the lesser evil here, and the media is it. As I have said before, I think the proper check on them is to limit the time people serve on the Board.

any fan who was watching the nfl during the 80's knows who art monk is.
you may be correct about current players but thats why i suggested former players.
the only media people who know who art monk is are the ones that covered the redskins.
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Unfortunately, there aren't too many fans outside of DC who know that either. Or current players. We're talking the lesser evil here, and the media is it. As I have said before, I think the proper check on them is to limit the time people serve on the Board.

are you a fan of football ? if so, can you not name the stars or important players from every team in the nfl ?

i live in the DC area but i can tell you who the stars are for every team in the nfl, not just the redskins.
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Unfortunately, there aren't too many fans outside of DC who know that either. Or current players. We're talking the lesser evil here, and the media is it. As I have said before, I think the proper check on them is to limit the time people serve on the Board.
Believe me, anybody who watched football in the 80's knows who Art Monk is and what kind of football player he was. There's no excuses, he should've already been in the hall of fame.
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Believe me, anybody who watched football in the 80's knows who Art Monk is and what kind of football player he was. There's no excuses, he should've already been in the hall of fame.

They know about Art. It is openly prejudicial against the Redskins and everything in B&G!
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Believe me, anybody who watched football in the 80's knows who Art Monk is and what kind of football player he was. There's no excuses, he should've already been in the hall of fame.
You nailed the exact problem with having fans vote. It's not "fans from the 80s" who are the problem. Monk wasn't eligible until 2000. That's a 10 year gap, and a lot of fans aren't big on history.

Look - Monk is the easy case. There is no legitimate argument for him not being in the Hall.

However, if we're talking about changing the rules, then you have to think about how those changes will affect the lower-visibility skill players and, more importantly, the non-skill positions. How many OL/DL would be in the Hall if fans did the voting? How many fans remember the top 10 linemen from the league 10 years ago? Some, I'm sure, but I sure don't.
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