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Old 02-06-2006, 04:58 PM   #16
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I think the ball just did cross the line than the Seahawk player knocked his arm back and he may have even fumbled the ball but that would have been after it crossed th plan.
the referee didn't think the ball had crossed the goel line either. if you notice on the replay, the ref is running toward ben holding his right hand in the air with a closed fist (indicating 4th down) it wasn't until he reached ben and saw that ben had stretched the ball over the goel line when he raised both hands indicating a td. it was crap, total crap. almost every person i've talked to today or every radio person i've listened to has said that that was one of the worse officiated games they have ever seen and that seattle got screwed. dan patrick, in particular, was very vocal about it.
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Old 02-06-2006, 05:00 PM   #17
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you think that crew did a good job ? holy crap you must have been watching a different game.

the offensive pass interferrence
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the holding on seattles left tackle when the hawks completed a pass to the 2 yardline
the cut block they called on hasselback
the timeout they awarded pitt. after the playclock had already hit 0

thats the main ones i can think of i'm sure there are plenty more. notice how all those i mention favor the steelers. this game was determined before it started.
For being the Super Bowl where the NFL best should be the refs were so bad it hurts the mind. :frusty: The call that was a TD[big Ben QB run] well I saw that his hole arm didn't even get in so how could the ball? Be that as it may the rest of the bad calls is something that should never take away from a game like this!
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Old 02-06-2006, 05:21 PM   #18
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For being the Super Bowl where the NFL best should be the refs were so bad it hurts the mind. :frusty: The call that was a TD[big Ben QB run] well I saw that his hole arm didn't even get in so how could the ball? Be that as it may the rest of the bad calls is something that should never take away from a game like this!
just a bad game all the way around. i was disapointed. your right though, you would think the nfl could at least put some good refs out there to call such an important game. the nfl needs to hire full time ref.
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Old 02-06-2006, 06:09 PM   #19
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As soon as I heard that the head official was a former cop I was like, well, we know he's an idiot, and he'll probably make his mind up early and jump to conclusions. I don't care, though, nothing but the holding call was the actual wrong call.

As for Roethlisberger not getting across, well that might have mattered on 4th down. But they were going to go for it and get that touchdown on the next play regardless.

Mike Holmgren just turned in possibly the worst coaching performance in Super Bowl history, which also didn't help the Seahawks' chances.
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Old 02-06-2006, 06:18 PM   #20
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As soon as I heard that the head official was a former cop I was like, well, we know he's an idiot, and he'll probably make his mind up early and jump to conclusions. I don't care, though, nothing but the holding call was the actual wrong call.

As for Roethlisberger not getting across, well that might have mattered on 4th down. But they were going to go for it and get that touchdown on the next play regardless.

Mike Holmgren just turned in possibly the worst coaching performance in Super Bowl history, which also didn't help the Seahawks' chances.


i think they would have kicked the field goel on 4th down, it was the 1st quarter and the score would have been tied at 3. no need to go for it in that situation.


holmgren actually out coached cower in that game. the refs and jeremy stevens made seattle look bad. holmgren made mistake in the last 2 minutes of the first half, thats it. the steelers big plays came from their OC, cower doesn't call any plays.
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Old 02-06-2006, 07:15 PM   #21
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Alstott rehash

I like that the Skins aren't letting this go. In discussing Tag's speech last week, the Skins had this to say:

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The Redskins also had issues with instant replay last season. In Week 10 at Tampa Bay, it appeared Washington's defense had stopped Bucs' fullback Mike Alstott on a two-point conversion attempt, but replay officials ruled otherwise in a game the Redskins lost 36-35.
http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=2233

Subtle jab, but I like that they are sticking to their guns - not because I like to hold grudges (which I do), but because it's important to keep the league's high profile replay mistakes in their face to avoid future mistakes.
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Old 02-07-2006, 03:02 AM   #22
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holmgren actually out coached cower in that game. the refs and jeremy stevens made seattle look bad. holmgren made mistake in the last 2 minutes of the first half, thats it. the steelers big plays came from their OC, cower doesn't call any plays.

outcoached? last 2min of each half... they sucked hard. Stevens shouldn't be on the team much less running pass patterns when he can't catch a cold. catching 30% of balls that hit you directly in the chest is NOT acceptable (and he can't block either).
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Old 02-07-2006, 03:16 AM   #23
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Lost in all the talk about the officials, Holmgren's clock management, and Stephens dropped passes is the fact that Roethlisberger played horribly. The worst passer rating of any winning quarterback in a SB. If we just would have made it to the big game, Brunell would have had the chance to outshine the opposing QB. And can someone explain why we're all supposed to be so touchy-feely for Bettis? I must have missed the memo on that one. I like Bettis just fine but why is he getting the Oprah treatment?
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Old 02-07-2006, 03:31 AM   #24
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Lost in all the talk about the officials, Holmgren's clock management, and Stephens dropped passes is the fact that Roethlisberger played horribly. The worst passer rating of any winning quarterback in a SB. If we just would have made it to the big game, Brunell would have had the chance to outshine the opposing QB. And can someone explain why we're all supposed to be so touchy-feely for Bettis? I must have missed the memo on that one. I like Bettis just fine but why is he getting the Oprah treatment?
cause he's a retiring HOFer playing his final game in the SB in his home town.

I just haven't watched espn the last 2 weeks to avoid hearing the same stories 400 times though. Its old after the first day.
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Old 02-07-2006, 05:35 AM   #25
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Reportedly, Roethlisberger made comments on David Letterman last night stating "I did not think I made it". I told coach, "coach, I don't think I got in".
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Holmgren and Hasselbeck's time management was not worthy of a SB victory. Neither was the league's MVP's effort all postseason. Seahawks were exposed, see NFC West...
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Old 02-07-2006, 07:32 AM   #27
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i agree, i think he was in also. great call. however mike alstott was NOT in. bad call.

Good eye! That's how I saw it in a room full of Haux homers!

I hope the NFL FO begins taking applications for Full Time Refs, and does away the the awful Replay rules! Go back to calling it on the field like BB!
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Old 02-07-2006, 03:40 PM   #28
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With all the tech now days you would think that they would have a system that the second the ball crosses the line it would lock in all of the film. If their was a dispute they could go back and hit a putton they would play film from about three seconds before the ball crossed. The film would stop at the point the ball crossed the line and the ref could look at all the angles and make the dicision. If the call is clear than the system would just move on until the next TD.
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Old 02-07-2006, 06:24 PM   #29
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outcoached? last 2min of each half... they sucked hard. Stevens shouldn't be on the team much less running pass patterns when he can't catch a cold. catching 30% of balls that hit you directly in the chest is NOT acceptable (and he can't block either).



the last two minutes of the first half was fine until homgren called that running play. all that confusion afterward was hasselbacks fualt, he kept trying to audibe.

the last two minutes of the last half was coached fine by holmgren. what should he have done differently there ?

by my estimations holmgren coached well for about 59 minutes out of 60.

one thing you could say is that maybe holmgre should have went for it instead of punting on 4th down with only 6 minutes to play. that would make it 58 out of 60.
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the last two minutes of the first half was fine until homgren called that running play. all that confusion afterward was hasselbacks fualt, he kept trying to audibe.

the last two minutes of the last half was coached fine by holmgren. what should he have done differently there ?

by my estimations holmgren coached well for about 59 minutes out of 60.

one thing you could say is that maybe holmgre should have went for it instead of punting on 4th down with only 6 minutes to play. that would make it 58 out of 60.
so holmgren is perfect and absolutely nothing is his fault even though its his team and he's in charge and making sure players know what to do. He told matt to audible this year and it usually works out.

If you refuse to even listen to any arguements than debating anything is pointless caues you've obviously convinced yourself this is all everyone else's fault but the coach who couldn't get his team to play like it cared when they had their chances.
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