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Old 02-21-2006, 08:20 AM   #46
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They would not cut him this year, but he'll have to go sooner or later. I don't see him playing out his whole contract.
That's quite obvious, he was never brought here to play the full 7 years. His deal was essentially a 3 year contract.
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Old 02-21-2006, 08:50 AM   #47
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I just dont see where the LaVar bashing comes from. He was the face of the organization through thick and thin, during those bad years. He wants to be a Redskin for life. LOYALTY, us fans bitch about loyalty, that the players are here for the money, they have no loyalty. This guy has more loyalty to the Redskins than I have ever seen out of todays players. He dropped the 6.5 million case, he has said he will take less money, rework his deal to stay with the team. I think if you look at the stats from the last 5 games, it warrants him staying. He is GETTING to the 100% he was a couple of years ago. He will probably drop a good bit of the weight he gained while he wasn't playing. Interesting stat, with the limited amount of playing time he had this past year, he lead the team in tackles for loss. He was all over the field the second half of the season and the guy loves it here. He plays with more passion and emotion than I can remember. I think dropping LaVar will be a mistake for this franchise. It will cause a lot of fan resintmant to the team. I am not saying that we couldn't find a suitable replacement, but not the caliber of LaVar. With him and Washington on the field, HEALTHY and 100%, its a dominating duo.

However, the word from Clayton last night was he wont be on the team next year. SUCKS!!
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There are a select few LaVar "bashers".

Most of us are just seeing the reality of the situation, he's very overpaid and based on what we saw last year, he doesn't appear to be an ideal fit for GW's defense.

Based on those two statements he's very expendable.
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Old 02-21-2006, 09:19 AM   #49
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I just dont see where the LaVar bashing comes from. He was the face of the organization through thick and thin, during those bad years. He wants to be a Redskin for life. LOYALTY, us fans bitch about loyalty, that the players are here for the money, they have no loyalty. This guy has more loyalty to the Redskins than I have ever seen out of todays players. He dropped the 6.5 million case, he has said he will take less money, rework his deal to stay with the team. I think if you look at the stats from the last 5 games, it warrants him staying. He is GETTING to the 100% he was a couple of years ago. He will probably drop a good bit of the weight he gained while he wasn't playing. Interesting stat, with the limited amount of playing time he had this past year, he lead the team in tackles for loss. He was all over the field the second half of the season and the guy loves it here. He plays with more passion and emotion than I can remember. I think dropping LaVar will be a mistake for this franchise. It will cause a lot of fan resintmant to the team. I am not saying that we couldn't find a suitable replacement, but not the caliber of LaVar. With him and Washington on the field, HEALTHY and 100%, its a dominating duo.

However, the word from Clayton last night was he wont be on the team next year. SUCKS!!
This is an emotional argument which has no place in a decision like this. Sorry, that's the real world. You can't let a player's standing with fans affect your decisions, I don't care how loyal he is. The only question that matters: Are our chances of winning a Super Bowl greater with him on the team?

With the way he affects our salary cap, the answer to that question will probably be a big fat NO if the CBA is extended.
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This is an emotional argument which has no place in a decision like this. Sorry, that's the real world. You can't let a player's standing with fans affect your decisions, I don't care how loyal he is. The only question that matters: Are our chances of winning a Super Bowl greater with him on the team?

With the way he affects our salary cap, the answer to that question will probably be a big fat NO if the CBA is extended.
By that logic, would you argue with a Colts fan who says that Peyton Manning should be cut? He's a great regular season player who doesn't really accomplish anything in the playoffs. Are they better off with him crippling the cap? If he restructured they could keep Edge and Reggie Wayne. Is he going to? I don't think so. So, by your logic, Peyton Manning is hurting the Colts.
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This is an emotional argument which has no place in a decision like this. Sorry, that's the real world. You can't let a player's standing with fans affect your decisions, I don't care how loyal he is. The only question that matters: Are our chances of winning a Super Bowl greater with him on the team?

With the way he affects our salary cap, the answer to that question will probably be a big fat NO if the CBA is extended.
My arguement is not ALL emotional if you bother to read the last parts of the post. It takes a year if not longer to get back to 100% after a surgery or two like he had. Towards the end of the year he showed his talent, he showed that he is close to getting back to his pro bowl level. of the 9 games he played full time, he had 40 to 45 tackles, plus 6 for loss,(which led the team) Plus in the playoff games he avgd about 10 tackles a game. I dont think my arguement is all emotional. Yes, I like LaVar, and I think he is a damn good LB. It would be a mistake to let him go, eat the 12 million when he wants to redo his deal for less. He is back to 100%(or close to it), which he hasn't been in 2 years. This guy is going to have more to prove than anyone on this, plus alot to prove to everyone in the NFL that says he doesn't have it anymore. I just think its a mistake. Thats all. THINK(thats my opinion) fact or not everyone is entitled one!
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My arguement is not ALL emotional if you bother to read the last parts of the post. It takes a year if not longer to get back to 100% after a surgery or two like he had. Towards the end of the year he showed his talent, he showed that he is close to getting back to his pro bowl level. of the 9 games he played full time, he had 40 to 45 tackles, plus 6 for loss,(which led the team) Plus in the playoff games he avgd about 10 tackles a game. I dont think my arguement is all emotional. Yes, I like LaVar, and I think he is a damn good LB. It would be a mistake to let him go, eat the 12 million when he wants to redo his deal for less. He is back to 100%(or close to it), which he hasn't been in 2 years. This guy is going to have more to prove than anyone on this, plus alot to prove to everyone in the NFL that says he doesn't have it anymore. I just think its a mistake. Thats all. THINK(thats my opinion) fact or not everyone is entitled one!
But is he worth his cap figure?

That's the real question and the main reason behind the logic that says he likely won't be back next year.
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But is he worth his cap figure?

That's the real question and the main reason behind the logic that says he likely won't be back next year.
to rework for 6 instead of cutting him and eating 12mil. absolutely
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to rework for 6 instead of cutting him and eating 12mil. absolutely
I'm talking about the future years of his deal, you always seem to be so against restructuring deals and mortgaging the future, yet it's ok for your boy LaVar?

Why not cut him and his ridiculous deal loose now and help save some major cap space in the near future??

Emotions aside, getting him off our books asap is the right move.
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I'm talking about the future years of his deal, you always seem to be so against restructuring deals and mortgaging the future, yet it's ok for your boy LaVar?

Why not cut him and his ridiculous deal loose now and help save some major cap space in the near future??

Emotions aside, getting him off our books asap is the right move.

I just dont think this year is financially possible. 12 million vs 6 million. From what I hear he is willing to take a big paycut to stay. Now if that is not the case, then maybe we do need to let him go. No team can afford a 12 million cap number. I am against restructuring deals, especially when they get these big signing bonuses again. With LaVar, from what I understand, he is willing to take a cut, make the 6.5 a signing bonus and spread it over the new contract. Also taking the minimum salary for each year. Thats what heard, dont know how true it is. But, it would seem doable if thats the case.
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A $9M cap hit sounded crazy a year ago but the team made it work to get rid of Coles, I wouldn't be surprised if they find a way to make it work again this year. Pending the CBA if course.
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By that logic, would you argue with a Colts fan who says that Peyton Manning should be cut? He's a great regular season player who doesn't really accomplish anything in the playoffs. Are they better off with him crippling the cap? If he restructured they could keep Edge and Reggie Wayne. Is he going to? I don't think so. So, by your logic, Peyton Manning is hurting the Colts.
Dude, what in the world are you talking about??

Are you saying Lavar is a great regular season player like Peyton Manning?? Because he's not. He's nothing without his speed.

My whole point is that the only reason you consider keeping Lavar is if his cap numbers make cutting him prohibitive. If you can get rid of him and still keep the rest of the team together, you get rid of him. I think you're totally misunderstanding my stance.
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I just dont think this year is financially possible. 12 million vs 6 million. From what I hear he is willing to take a big paycut to stay. Now if that is not the case, then maybe we do need to let him go. No team can afford a 12 million cap number. I am against restructuring deals, especially when they get these big signing bonuses again. With LaVar, from what I understand, he is willing to take a cut, make the 6.5 a signing bonus and spread it over the new contract. Also taking the minimum salary for each year. Thats what heard, dont know how true it is. But, it would seem doable if thats the case.
56fanatic, it's totally strange for me to sit here and read a post from you that supports the renegotiation of Lavar's contract, kicking more money into the future when you're so vehemently arguing against that very practice in the Salary Cap Analysis thread. Nobody is saying you're not entitled to an opinion, but the second you put an opinion on a discussion board, it is open season when it's inconsistent. So I'm sorry if it seems like I'm attacking you, but in my eyes you opened yourself up to it.

If Lavar takes an out and out cut in pay this year, then I will 100% agree that it makes sense to keep him. If he renegotiates into signing bonus, kicking the money down the road, I'm not so sure that's a smart thing to do, it would depend on the deal. His contract is the most expensive one on our books, basically in a tie with Chris Samuels. But he's not even close to our best player. The whole point is that if we cut him this year, we'll clear up future salary cap space which we can do more with. I think we can get more talent with his cap space down the road than he offers himself.

But it's hard to know how much he's willing to renegotiate. He goes back and forth on his statements all the time. We'll just have to wait and see.
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A $9M cap hit sounded crazy a year ago but the team made it work to get rid of Coles, I wouldn't be surprised if they find a way to make it work again this year. Pending the CBA if course.
You could be right. We will see in next couple of months what goes down. For the sake of my Jerseys, I hope he stays. Every year I buy one the cut the damn player loose or trade them. I am wondering who I can get that will be around for long haul.
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56fanatic, it's totally strange for me to sit here and read a post from you that supports the renegotiation of Lavar's contract, kicking more money into the future when you're so vehemently arguing against that very practice in the Salary Cap Analysis thread. Nobody is saying you're not entitled to an opinion, but the second you put an opinion on a discussion board, it is open season when it's inconsistent. So I'm sorry if it seems like I'm attacking you, but in my eyes you opened yourself up to it.

If Lavar takes an out and out cut in pay this year, then I will 100% agree that it makes sense to keep him. If he renegotiates into signing bonus, kicking the money down the road, I'm not so sure that's a smart thing to do, it would depend on the deal. His contract is the most expensive one on our books, basically in a tie with Chris Samuels. But he's not even close to our best player. The whole point is that if we cut him this year, we'll clear up future salary cap space which we can do more with. I think we can get more talent with his cap space down the road than he offers himself.

But it's hard to know how much he's willing to renegotiate. He goes back and forth on his statements all the time. We'll just have to wait and see.
You are right as well. As in the post I had w/ Matty I said I heard he was willing to take a substantial pay cut. Now, if thats true and he renegotiates the deal with the roster bonus to where his cap number is managable or less than the original deal, then we should keep him. If he falls back on his statement where he doesn't want to redo the deal, then we have to look at dealing him or just letting him go. That of course is if we can trim enough dough to take the big hit. As Matty said, we found a way w/ the Coles deal, maybe we can find another way with LaVar.
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