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Old 02-21-2006, 03:51 PM   #61
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Dude, what in the world are you talking about??

Are you saying Lavar is a great regular season player like Peyton Manning?? Because he's not. He's nothing without his speed.

My whole point is that the only reason you consider keeping Lavar is if his cap numbers make cutting him prohibitive. If you can get rid of him and still keep the rest of the team together, you get rid of him. I think you're totally misunderstanding my stance.
For one, no, I'm not saying he's a regular season player like Peyton Manning. However, LaVar had a great playoff game, which is more than I can say for Peyton...lol.

I think LaVar is a very good football player, but what I was saying that if his cap number is hurting the team so bad, then you can make the same case against a Peyton Manning. He has a huge cap number that he hasn't said he'll restructure, so now they're losing people. Is he the best QB in the league? Yes. Does his contract hurt the team? You're damn right it does. So, that was the parallel, not their play on the field.

I happen to think LaVar can be a great linebacker again, but it's become obvious that the Skins don't want him here, just like everyone else they give a big contract to. So, it doesn't matter if he restructures, he'll be cut within a few years anyway. That's how Washington does business.

I understand that it's a business decision and that his being a fan favorite makes no difference, whatsoever. Which is asinine, but that's the way it is. LaVar is one of my favorite players on the team, but I'll say that he doesn't live up to the contract he's playing under. Why he isn't is up for debate, but that's not the point.

Bottom Line: Once it becomes clear the Redskins want you gone, you're gone. It's just a matter of when, not if. See: Brad Johnson, Stephen Davis and a whole list of other guys that got run out of town because they fell out of favor with Dan Snyder.
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Old 02-21-2006, 03:52 PM   #62
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You are right as well. As in the post I had w/ Matty I said I heard he was willing to take a substantial pay cut. Now, if thats true and he renegotiates the deal with the roster bonus to where his cap number is managable or less than the original deal, then we should keep him. If he falls back on his statement where he doesn't want to redo the deal, then we have to look at dealing him or just letting him go. That of course is if we can trim enough dough to take the big hit. As Matty said, we found a way w/ the Coles deal, maybe we can find another way with LaVar.
I'm not quite clear on what you're saying. His base salary for 2006 is already at the vet minimum, so there's nothing we can do with his base salary. He's due $6.5 million as a roster bonus this year. Are you saying he might be willing to cut the $6.5 million payment down, and then change the remainder of it to a signing bonus? If he wants to cut it down low enough before renegotiating it, then that would be great. Can we see him doing that though? Because he thought he was getting $12 million instead of $6.5, until he realized that his agent let him down. To get even less than $6.5 this year would seem to be something he'd like to avoid. Who knows though.

In the case of cutting or trading him, I think even if the CBA is extended there's no way in the world we'd be able to absorb a $12 million hit from him. It would be hard to clear that much room. We would release/trade him after June 1 and take a $5 million hit this year and a $7 million hit in 2007 (assuming the CBA is extended).

If the CBA is not extended we're stuck with him no matter what, so hopefully we can renegotiate in that scenario.
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Old 02-21-2006, 04:00 PM   #63
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I happen to think LaVar can be a great linebacker again, but it's become obvious that the Skins don't want him here, just like everyone else they give a big contract to. So, it doesn't matter if he restructures, he'll be cut within a few years anyway. That's how Washington does business.

I understand that it's a business decision and that his being a fan favorite makes no difference, whatsoever. Which is asinine, but that's the way it is. LaVar is one of my favorite players on the team, but I'll say that he doesn't live up to the contract he's playing under. Why he isn't is up for debate, but that's not the point.
Well to be fair, Dan Snyder loved the guy once upon a time. Then Lavar and his agent brought this ridiculous grievance against the team, for which they had no evidence. So it's hard to blame Snyder for being miffed.

But Snyder is not the one who matters anymore, it's Gregg Williams. He's the one that Lavar has fallen out of favor with, and is the one Joe Gibbs listens to in regards to defensive personnel. The way Washington does business has changed drastically, it used to be Snyder pulling the strings, now it's Gibbs.
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Well to be fair, Dan Snyder loved the guy once upon a time. Then Lavar and his agent brought this ridiculous grievance against the team, for which they had no evidence. So it's hard to blame Snyder for being miffed.

But Snyder is not the one who matters anymore, it's Gregg Williams. He's the one that Lavar has fallen out of favor with, and is the one Joe Gibbs listens to in regards to defensive personnel. The way Washington does business has changed drastically, it used to be Snyder pulling the strings, now it's Gibbs.
I can agree with most of that, but it kinda felt like Gregg Willaims was looking for a reason to not like LaVar. It seemed like everything he did wrong Williams felt the need to pull him off the field. That's just dumb. Walt Harris made tons of mistakes and it took an injury to get him outta the lineup. Warrick Holdman is not better than LaVar, so I'm not gonna believe that pulling him made the team better.

When did this team give up a bunch of big plays? The consecutive weeks where we played Denver and KC. Guess who was outta the lineup then. LaVar Arrington. I think this D is better with him on the field.
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Old 02-21-2006, 04:17 PM   #65
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I can agree with most of that, but it kinda felt like Gregg Willaims was looking for a reason to not like LaVar. It seemed like everything he did wrong Williams felt the need to pull him off the field. That's just dumb. Walt Harris made tons of mistakes and it took an injury to get him outta the lineup. Warrick Holdman is not better than LaVar, so I'm not gonna believe that pulling him made the team better.

When did this team give up a bunch of big plays? The consecutive weeks where we played Denver and KC. Guess who was outta the lineup then. LaVar Arrington. I think this D is better with him on the field.
I can respect that. But I also respect Gregg Williams' resume.
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Old 02-21-2006, 04:18 PM   #66
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I just dont see where the LaVar bashing comes from. He was the face of the organization through thick and thin, during those bad years. He wants to be a Redskin for life. LOYALTY, us fans bitch about loyalty, that the players are here for the money, they have no loyalty. This guy has more loyalty to the Redskins than I have ever seen out of todays players. He dropped the 6.5 million case, he has said he will take less money, rework his deal to stay with the team. I think if you look at the stats from the last 5 games, it warrants him staying. He is GETTING to the 100% he was a couple of years ago. He will probably drop a good bit of the weight he gained while he wasn't playing. Interesting stat, with the limited amount of playing time he had this past year, he lead the team in tackles for loss. He was all over the field the second half of the season and the guy loves it here. He plays with more passion and emotion than I can remember. I think dropping LaVar will be a mistake for this franchise. It will cause a lot of fan resintmant to the team. I am not saying that we couldn't find a suitable replacement, but not the caliber of LaVar. With him and Washington on the field, HEALTHY and 100%, its a dominating duo.

However, the word from Clayton last night was he wont be on the team next year. SUCKS!!
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Old 02-21-2006, 04:25 PM   #67
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in the NFL its all about price/performance, and guys like wynn and lavar are hitting 1/1 and the team is capped out, so you gotta do something about it. the choices are pretty clear though... if lavar stays brunell and wynn HAVE to go. if he goes his number is going to force people out when the 12mill hits, or cap is in bad shape this season and next.
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Old 02-21-2006, 04:25 PM   #68
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when lavar signed his huge contract he was not overrated and he deserved every penny. i remember how happy i was that the skins would make such a good move.

now, since recieving that contract, lavar has been hurt. people "all of a sudden" say he can't play lb, he doesn't study,bla,bla, bla.....thats all bull crap, he was the best player on this team since the day he was drafted. he is no longer the best player but still a darn good one, in my opinion.

the one thing i will agree with is lavar ran his mouth too much and for that reason, he fell out of favor with this coaching staff.

if he is willing to take a pay cut then i say he should stay, be given the chance to show he still has the ability to be a dominant lb and be given the chance to rebuild his relationship with this coaching staff.
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Old 02-21-2006, 08:32 PM   #69
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I can agree with most of that, but it kinda felt like Gregg Willaims was looking for a reason to not like LaVar. It seemed like everything he did wrong Williams felt the need to pull him off the field. That's just dumb. Walt Harris made tons of mistakes and it took an injury to get him outta the lineup. Warrick Holdman is not better than LaVar, so I'm not gonna believe that pulling him made the team better.

When did this team give up a bunch of big plays? The consecutive weeks where we played Denver and KC. Guess who was outta the lineup then. LaVar Arrington. I think this D is better with him on the field.

TOTALLY RGHT!....................I AGREE WITH U 100% I DONT KNOW WHERE PEOPLE ARE GETTING HES NOT A GOOD LINEBACKER OR AN AVERAGE LINEBACKER....!?!?!?!?!?!?!? OR HE LOST HIS SPEED.........WTF ARE U TALKIN AB......HE IS A GREAT INEBACKER AND I THINK STILL ONE OF THE BEST WHEN IN 100% FORM...........THE TWO PLAYS STUCK IN MY MIND IS THE PLAY HE MADE ON THE GOAL LINE TO THE RAIDERS WHERE HE GOT IN THE BACKFIELD AND BLEW UP THE RUNNING BACK, AND WHEN HE CHASED ALEX SMITH ACCROSS THE FIELD AND MADE A BIG HIT ON HIM.......OR EVEN THE TROY AIKMAN PLAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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When did this team give up a bunch of big plays? The consecutive weeks where we played Denver and KC. Guess who was outta the lineup then. LaVar Arrington. I think this D is better with him on the field.
Actually the player we missed the most was Griffin.

When he was out of the lineup the D gave up big plays left and right, once he returned things settled down.
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TOTALLY RGHT!....................I AGREE WITH U 100% I DONT KNOW WHERE PEOPLE ARE GETTING HES NOT A GOOD LINEBACKER OR AN AVERAGE LINEBACKER....!?!?!?!?!?!?!? OR HE LOST HIS SPEED.........WTF ARE U TALKIN AB......HE IS A GREAT INEBACKER AND I THINK STILL ONE OF THE BEST WHEN IN 100% FORM...........THE TWO PLAYS STUCK IN MY MIND IS THE PLAY HE MADE ON THE GOAL LINE TO THE RAIDERS WHERE HE GOT IN THE BACKFIELD AND BLEW UP THE RUNNING BACK, AND WHEN HE CHASED ALEX SMITH ACCROSS THE FIELD AND MADE A BIG HIT ON HIM.......OR EVEN THE TROY AIKMAN PLAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Listen to all that yellin', he's so not gellin'.
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Old 02-21-2006, 11:27 PM   #72
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Listen to all that yellin', he's so not gellin'.
I hope Sean Taylor don't end up a felon...
Lavar's knee showed signs bit then started swellin'...
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jordanz head is as big as a melon,and if he doesnt stop the yellin,im pm matty and tellin
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Actually the player we missed the most was Griffin.

When he was out of the lineup the D gave up big plays left and right, once he returned things settled down.
seriously. he has to be the most boring athlete ever put in front of a camera, but he's been the D's MVP 2 years running. A 6-8 sack a year DT isn't that common (and that's through double teams while also stopping the run dead in its tracks... while walking 15 miles to school, uphill both ways).
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are you kidding me? have you ever seen lavar get in a three point stance and do anything productive? the dude is not a pass rusher. he seemed to shy away from contact when williams would send him on blitzes this year. he's lost his explosiveness/mojo (self admission) and will be a june cut. for all his drama and expense, what has lavar arrington produced for us? i can think of two plays...the int for td against carolina long, long ago and the KO shot (in a losing cause) on aikman. many of his pro bowl/beauty pageant trips were un-earned. the one season under marvin lewis was perhaps his only legit trip to the 50th. it's time for 56 to go away. if we cut him, watch the market. the market will show you what other teams think of this dude. he's a hype machine and danny's made him a millionaire.
Welcome to the warpath 81toHOF. Good to have another fan on board. In regard to your comments about Arrington only making two plays over his career, turns out he has made more impact plays for us than you might think. For example, remember that game against the Rams when he sacked Kurt Warner and stripped the ball near the goal line in the closing minutes. We wouldn't have won if it weren't for that. And what about that interception against the Bucs in this past playoff game? Don't get me wrong, I'm not completely advocating that we keep the man, but give him credit for playing well in previous years. The man gave our defense an attitude and ferocity back when the 'skins were a struggling team.
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