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Old 02-21-2006, 04:00 PM   #61
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I'm talking about the future years of his deal, you always seem to be so against restructuring deals and mortgaging the future, yet it's ok for your boy LaVar?

Why not cut him and his ridiculous deal loose now and help save some major cap space in the near future??

Emotions aside, getting him off our books asap is the right move.

I just dont think this year is financially possible. 12 million vs 6 million. From what I hear he is willing to take a big paycut to stay. Now if that is not the case, then maybe we do need to let him go. No team can afford a 12 million cap number. I am against restructuring deals, especially when they get these big signing bonuses again. With LaVar, from what I understand, he is willing to take a cut, make the 6.5 a signing bonus and spread it over the new contract. Also taking the minimum salary for each year. Thats what heard, dont know how true it is. But, it would seem doable if thats the case.
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A $9M cap hit sounded crazy a year ago but the team made it work to get rid of Coles, I wouldn't be surprised if they find a way to make it work again this year. Pending the CBA if course.
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By that logic, would you argue with a Colts fan who says that Peyton Manning should be cut? He's a great regular season player who doesn't really accomplish anything in the playoffs. Are they better off with him crippling the cap? If he restructured they could keep Edge and Reggie Wayne. Is he going to? I don't think so. So, by your logic, Peyton Manning is hurting the Colts.
Dude, what in the world are you talking about??

Are you saying Lavar is a great regular season player like Peyton Manning?? Because he's not. He's nothing without his speed.

My whole point is that the only reason you consider keeping Lavar is if his cap numbers make cutting him prohibitive. If you can get rid of him and still keep the rest of the team together, you get rid of him. I think you're totally misunderstanding my stance.
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I just dont think this year is financially possible. 12 million vs 6 million. From what I hear he is willing to take a big paycut to stay. Now if that is not the case, then maybe we do need to let him go. No team can afford a 12 million cap number. I am against restructuring deals, especially when they get these big signing bonuses again. With LaVar, from what I understand, he is willing to take a cut, make the 6.5 a signing bonus and spread it over the new contract. Also taking the minimum salary for each year. Thats what heard, dont know how true it is. But, it would seem doable if thats the case.
56fanatic, it's totally strange for me to sit here and read a post from you that supports the renegotiation of Lavar's contract, kicking more money into the future when you're so vehemently arguing against that very practice in the Salary Cap Analysis thread. Nobody is saying you're not entitled to an opinion, but the second you put an opinion on a discussion board, it is open season when it's inconsistent. So I'm sorry if it seems like I'm attacking you, but in my eyes you opened yourself up to it.

If Lavar takes an out and out cut in pay this year, then I will 100% agree that it makes sense to keep him. If he renegotiates into signing bonus, kicking the money down the road, I'm not so sure that's a smart thing to do, it would depend on the deal. His contract is the most expensive one on our books, basically in a tie with Chris Samuels. But he's not even close to our best player. The whole point is that if we cut him this year, we'll clear up future salary cap space which we can do more with. I think we can get more talent with his cap space down the road than he offers himself.

But it's hard to know how much he's willing to renegotiate. He goes back and forth on his statements all the time. We'll just have to wait and see.
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Old 02-21-2006, 04:33 PM   #65
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A $9M cap hit sounded crazy a year ago but the team made it work to get rid of Coles, I wouldn't be surprised if they find a way to make it work again this year. Pending the CBA if course.
You could be right. We will see in next couple of months what goes down. For the sake of my Jerseys, I hope he stays. Every year I buy one the cut the damn player loose or trade them. I am wondering who I can get that will be around for long haul.
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56fanatic, it's totally strange for me to sit here and read a post from you that supports the renegotiation of Lavar's contract, kicking more money into the future when you're so vehemently arguing against that very practice in the Salary Cap Analysis thread. Nobody is saying you're not entitled to an opinion, but the second you put an opinion on a discussion board, it is open season when it's inconsistent. So I'm sorry if it seems like I'm attacking you, but in my eyes you opened yourself up to it.

If Lavar takes an out and out cut in pay this year, then I will 100% agree that it makes sense to keep him. If he renegotiates into signing bonus, kicking the money down the road, I'm not so sure that's a smart thing to do, it would depend on the deal. His contract is the most expensive one on our books, basically in a tie with Chris Samuels. But he's not even close to our best player. The whole point is that if we cut him this year, we'll clear up future salary cap space which we can do more with. I think we can get more talent with his cap space down the road than he offers himself.

But it's hard to know how much he's willing to renegotiate. He goes back and forth on his statements all the time. We'll just have to wait and see.
You are right as well. As in the post I had w/ Matty I said I heard he was willing to take a substantial pay cut. Now, if thats true and he renegotiates the deal with the roster bonus to where his cap number is managable or less than the original deal, then we should keep him. If he falls back on his statement where he doesn't want to redo the deal, then we have to look at dealing him or just letting him go. That of course is if we can trim enough dough to take the big hit. As Matty said, we found a way w/ the Coles deal, maybe we can find another way with LaVar.
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Dude, what in the world are you talking about??

Are you saying Lavar is a great regular season player like Peyton Manning?? Because he's not. He's nothing without his speed.

My whole point is that the only reason you consider keeping Lavar is if his cap numbers make cutting him prohibitive. If you can get rid of him and still keep the rest of the team together, you get rid of him. I think you're totally misunderstanding my stance.
For one, no, I'm not saying he's a regular season player like Peyton Manning. However, LaVar had a great playoff game, which is more than I can say for Peyton...lol.

I think LaVar is a very good football player, but what I was saying that if his cap number is hurting the team so bad, then you can make the same case against a Peyton Manning. He has a huge cap number that he hasn't said he'll restructure, so now they're losing people. Is he the best QB in the league? Yes. Does his contract hurt the team? You're damn right it does. So, that was the parallel, not their play on the field.

I happen to think LaVar can be a great linebacker again, but it's become obvious that the Skins don't want him here, just like everyone else they give a big contract to. So, it doesn't matter if he restructures, he'll be cut within a few years anyway. That's how Washington does business.

I understand that it's a business decision and that his being a fan favorite makes no difference, whatsoever. Which is asinine, but that's the way it is. LaVar is one of my favorite players on the team, but I'll say that he doesn't live up to the contract he's playing under. Why he isn't is up for debate, but that's not the point.

Bottom Line: Once it becomes clear the Redskins want you gone, you're gone. It's just a matter of when, not if. See: Brad Johnson, Stephen Davis and a whole list of other guys that got run out of town because they fell out of favor with Dan Snyder.
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You are right as well. As in the post I had w/ Matty I said I heard he was willing to take a substantial pay cut. Now, if thats true and he renegotiates the deal with the roster bonus to where his cap number is managable or less than the original deal, then we should keep him. If he falls back on his statement where he doesn't want to redo the deal, then we have to look at dealing him or just letting him go. That of course is if we can trim enough dough to take the big hit. As Matty said, we found a way w/ the Coles deal, maybe we can find another way with LaVar.
I'm not quite clear on what you're saying. His base salary for 2006 is already at the vet minimum, so there's nothing we can do with his base salary. He's due $6.5 million as a roster bonus this year. Are you saying he might be willing to cut the $6.5 million payment down, and then change the remainder of it to a signing bonus? If he wants to cut it down low enough before renegotiating it, then that would be great. Can we see him doing that though? Because he thought he was getting $12 million instead of $6.5, until he realized that his agent let him down. To get even less than $6.5 this year would seem to be something he'd like to avoid. Who knows though.

In the case of cutting or trading him, I think even if the CBA is extended there's no way in the world we'd be able to absorb a $12 million hit from him. It would be hard to clear that much room. We would release/trade him after June 1 and take a $5 million hit this year and a $7 million hit in 2007 (assuming the CBA is extended).

If the CBA is not extended we're stuck with him no matter what, so hopefully we can renegotiate in that scenario.
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I happen to think LaVar can be a great linebacker again, but it's become obvious that the Skins don't want him here, just like everyone else they give a big contract to. So, it doesn't matter if he restructures, he'll be cut within a few years anyway. That's how Washington does business.

I understand that it's a business decision and that his being a fan favorite makes no difference, whatsoever. Which is asinine, but that's the way it is. LaVar is one of my favorite players on the team, but I'll say that he doesn't live up to the contract he's playing under. Why he isn't is up for debate, but that's not the point.
Well to be fair, Dan Snyder loved the guy once upon a time. Then Lavar and his agent brought this ridiculous grievance against the team, for which they had no evidence. So it's hard to blame Snyder for being miffed.

But Snyder is not the one who matters anymore, it's Gregg Williams. He's the one that Lavar has fallen out of favor with, and is the one Joe Gibbs listens to in regards to defensive personnel. The way Washington does business has changed drastically, it used to be Snyder pulling the strings, now it's Gibbs.
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Well to be fair, Dan Snyder loved the guy once upon a time. Then Lavar and his agent brought this ridiculous grievance against the team, for which they had no evidence. So it's hard to blame Snyder for being miffed.

But Snyder is not the one who matters anymore, it's Gregg Williams. He's the one that Lavar has fallen out of favor with, and is the one Joe Gibbs listens to in regards to defensive personnel. The way Washington does business has changed drastically, it used to be Snyder pulling the strings, now it's Gibbs.
I can agree with most of that, but it kinda felt like Gregg Willaims was looking for a reason to not like LaVar. It seemed like everything he did wrong Williams felt the need to pull him off the field. That's just dumb. Walt Harris made tons of mistakes and it took an injury to get him outta the lineup. Warrick Holdman is not better than LaVar, so I'm not gonna believe that pulling him made the team better.

When did this team give up a bunch of big plays? The consecutive weeks where we played Denver and KC. Guess who was outta the lineup then. LaVar Arrington. I think this D is better with him on the field.
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I can agree with most of that, but it kinda felt like Gregg Willaims was looking for a reason to not like LaVar. It seemed like everything he did wrong Williams felt the need to pull him off the field. That's just dumb. Walt Harris made tons of mistakes and it took an injury to get him outta the lineup. Warrick Holdman is not better than LaVar, so I'm not gonna believe that pulling him made the team better.

When did this team give up a bunch of big plays? The consecutive weeks where we played Denver and KC. Guess who was outta the lineup then. LaVar Arrington. I think this D is better with him on the field.
I can respect that. But I also respect Gregg Williams' resume.
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I just dont see where the LaVar bashing comes from. He was the face of the organization through thick and thin, during those bad years. He wants to be a Redskin for life. LOYALTY, us fans bitch about loyalty, that the players are here for the money, they have no loyalty. This guy has more loyalty to the Redskins than I have ever seen out of todays players. He dropped the 6.5 million case, he has said he will take less money, rework his deal to stay with the team. I think if you look at the stats from the last 5 games, it warrants him staying. He is GETTING to the 100% he was a couple of years ago. He will probably drop a good bit of the weight he gained while he wasn't playing. Interesting stat, with the limited amount of playing time he had this past year, he lead the team in tackles for loss. He was all over the field the second half of the season and the guy loves it here. He plays with more passion and emotion than I can remember. I think dropping LaVar will be a mistake for this franchise. It will cause a lot of fan resintmant to the team. I am not saying that we couldn't find a suitable replacement, but not the caliber of LaVar. With him and Washington on the field, HEALTHY and 100%, its a dominating duo.

However, the word from Clayton last night was he wont be on the team next year. SUCKS!!
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Old 02-21-2006, 05:25 PM   #73
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in the NFL its all about price/performance, and guys like wynn and lavar are hitting 1/1 and the team is capped out, so you gotta do something about it. the choices are pretty clear though... if lavar stays brunell and wynn HAVE to go. if he goes his number is going to force people out when the 12mill hits, or cap is in bad shape this season and next.
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Old 02-21-2006, 05:25 PM   #74
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when lavar signed his huge contract he was not overrated and he deserved every penny. i remember how happy i was that the skins would make such a good move.

now, since recieving that contract, lavar has been hurt. people "all of a sudden" say he can't play lb, he doesn't study,bla,bla, bla.....thats all bull crap, he was the best player on this team since the day he was drafted. he is no longer the best player but still a darn good one, in my opinion.

the one thing i will agree with is lavar ran his mouth too much and for that reason, he fell out of favor with this coaching staff.

if he is willing to take a pay cut then i say he should stay, be given the chance to show he still has the ability to be a dominant lb and be given the chance to rebuild his relationship with this coaching staff.
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I can agree with most of that, but it kinda felt like Gregg Willaims was looking for a reason to not like LaVar. It seemed like everything he did wrong Williams felt the need to pull him off the field. That's just dumb. Walt Harris made tons of mistakes and it took an injury to get him outta the lineup. Warrick Holdman is not better than LaVar, so I'm not gonna believe that pulling him made the team better.

When did this team give up a bunch of big plays? The consecutive weeks where we played Denver and KC. Guess who was outta the lineup then. LaVar Arrington. I think this D is better with him on the field.

TOTALLY RGHT!....................I AGREE WITH U 100% I DONT KNOW WHERE PEOPLE ARE GETTING HES NOT A GOOD LINEBACKER OR AN AVERAGE LINEBACKER....!?!?!?!?!?!?!? OR HE LOST HIS SPEED.........WTF ARE U TALKIN AB......HE IS A GREAT INEBACKER AND I THINK STILL ONE OF THE BEST WHEN IN 100% FORM...........THE TWO PLAYS STUCK IN MY MIND IS THE PLAY HE MADE ON THE GOAL LINE TO THE RAIDERS WHERE HE GOT IN THE BACKFIELD AND BLEW UP THE RUNNING BACK, AND WHEN HE CHASED ALEX SMITH ACCROSS THE FIELD AND MADE A BIG HIT ON HIM.......OR EVEN THE TROY AIKMAN PLAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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