Dockery signs qualifying offer

That Guy · 03-06-2006, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by RedskinPete

Running time mean nothing if you are getting the job done! As for all these guys you listed what makes them better and what is the way that you can tell me that they are better? It's like saying S.Moss isn't better then joe Blow. With WR here you can use 40 times and stats to show he is better. With line men coaches grade thier games and they know who isn't getting the job done. Gibbs in a season ending interview said Doc came along way and was as I remember very high on his 05 play! If not true why would he say that???

look, i mentioned the 40 time cause its relevent when we're talking about joe gibbs and pulling guards, i'm nto making a list and deciding talent on 40 times though :P

I'm not saying he needs to be replaced, but talent wise, he is NOT in the top 16 in the league at the LG position. You can tell by watching other teams and seeing how many times guys blow by their guards or how useful they are at getting downfield to block on running plays. Watching brian waters or hutchinson of KC and seattle. Very rarely do people get by them and get sacks/stuffs, and both are very good at running down and being invovled in plays beyond the line of scrimmage when running.

That Guy · 03-06-2006, 11:05 AM

also as far as "why would he say that?"

gibbs talked up ramsey and immediately benched him
gibbs talked up taylor jacobs constantly, and well... "why would he say that?"
gibbs talked about how great royal was right after he dropped about 18 balls in one game

after every loss he talks about how great the team is and how hard they fight and complains about the refs.

its just what he does. he talks up EVERYONE.

TheMalcolmConnection · 03-06-2006, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

i totally agree with you on that point. from a talent perspective though, its hard to argue his merits though. talentwise there are a LOT of teams i'd make a straight trade with.

drafting a OG/OT type would mean a cheap backup, and if they're drafted high, there's a good chance they could start challenging for the starting job pretty soon. Being as how there's no rush to get them into the lineup and they'll be in the system while learning, its a win-win.

But what you want to draft a lineman early with the other truly pressing needs we have? I'd love to have that luxury. Are you thinking with our 3rd round pick or our 2nd?

RedskinPete · 03-06-2006, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by EXoffender

I was never worried aabout Dockery, just shaky on the
depth along the OL.

I hear you on this my friend! When you have to bring in a back up center to fill in to play a guard spot in a game that is bad! We do need some young talent and I thought we drafted some two years ago in Mark Wilson and Jim Molinaro? Also what about Kenyatta Jones I remember during the season he[Bugel] had good things to say about Jones come back!

That Guy · 03-06-2006, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

But what you want to draft a lineman early with the other truly pressing needs we have? I'd love to have that luxury. Are you thinking with our 3rd round pick or our 2nd?

it really depends on what the choice is. if its C spencer, stovall or klopenstein with our #2, i'd take C spencer there. if pope falls, or D'q Jackson is there or one of the better corners, i'd probably wait. most of the good guards will be gone between the late 2nd and late 3rd though.

RedskinPete · 03-06-2006, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

look, i mentioned the 40 time cause its relevent when we're talking about joe gibbs and pulling guards, i'm nto making a list and deciding talent on 40 times though :P

I'm not saying he needs to be replaced, but talent wise, he is NOT in the top 16 in the league at the LG position. You can tell by watching other teams and seeing how many times guys blow by their guards or how useful they are at getting downfield to block on running plays. Watching brian waters or hutchinson of KC and seattle. Very rarely do people get by them and get sacks/stuffs, and both are very good at running down and being invovled in plays beyond the line of scrimmage when running.

I hear what you are saying and said many of the same things about Chris Samuels after the 04 season! But I also saw great improvement in 05! Was he a pro bowler I don't know. If he was then LT spot in the NFC must be thin! One thing I did see from the line was that they work together much better and Thomas along with Jansen had very nice years. You also say Rabach was a big reason for all thier turn around in 05!!!

70Chip · 03-06-2006, 03:59 PM

I'm comfortable with Doc's performance last year. Sure , he is slow, but he hasn't been injury prone and he doesn't seem to make any more mistakes than the rest of the guys. I thought he was excellent in pass pro. After seeing Raymer against the Seahwaks, they obviously need depth but I don't know if I would use the second pick. I suppose it would depend on who was available.

Monksdown · 03-06-2006, 04:01 PM

I base most of my opinions on Madden ps2. My computer progressed him to an 85 overall, and at what Im paying him, that's money.

But on a more serious note. He is a fat motherfr, and I love that in a guard. Just don't pull opposite him as much. Let Randy do the work with the "Rock"

That Guy · 03-06-2006, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RedskinPete

I hear what you are saying and said many of the same things about Chris Samuels after the 04 season! But I also saw great improvement in 05! Was he a pro bowler I don't know. If he was then LT spot in the NFC must be thin! One thing I did see from the line was that they work together much better and Thomas along with Jansen had very nice years. You also say Rabach was a big reason for all thier turn around in 05!!!

yeah, they do work well together. The difference between raymer and rabach is CRAZY though. raymer was beyond terrible. he's a turnstile... and a weak one.

and doc is definately big. but even bigger and faster OGs are available this year, and would definately be worth at least considering if they're there during our pick. We need the depth if nothing else.

Mattyk · 03-06-2006, 07:10 PM

Dock gets a bad rap around here for some reason, while he still has room for improvement we certainly could be alot worse off.

GoSkins! · 03-06-2006, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Dock gets a bad rap around here for some reason, while he still has room for improvement we certainly could be alot worse off.

Yes, he seemed pretty solid this past year. He got over his false start problem that plagued him for so long and even started pulling better. Being durable doesn't hurt either...

mooby · 03-06-2006, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Dock gets a bad rap around here for some reason, while he still has room for improvement we certainly could be alot worse off.

Dock gets a bad rap everywhere i go. They think he's a below average lineman. I think he's a solid player, and besides, he has started games for like 3 consecutive seasons for the skins. That's pretty durable.

steveo395 · 03-06-2006, 08:14 PM

I dont see why everyone thinks he's so bad. He's never missed a game and he has improved every year. He played pretty well last year and I would like to see someone find a better guard for the price too.

44deisel44 · 03-06-2006, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Dock gets a bad rap around here for some reason, while he still has room for improvement we certainly could be alot worse off.

Didn't Buges ALLOW him to wear Jacoby's 66 and say that he has the potential to be the best lineman he ever coached. Joe sees something in the guy and thats enough for me.

That Guy · 03-06-2006, 08:51 PM

that's just bugel talking up his players publicly again. he does that too.

remeber blache explaining how he rather not have a DE that's any good at pass rushing in defending his DL players?

the coaches have a bad habit of (publicly) telling everyone they've got superstars in waiting at every position.

03-06-2006, 11:05 AM	#17
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 30 Posts: 15,621	Re: Dockery signs qualifying offer also as far as "why would he say that?" gibbs talked up ramsey and immediately benched him gibbs talked up taylor jacobs constantly, and well... "why would he say that?" gibbs talked about how great royal was right after he dropped about 18 balls in one game after every loss he talks about how great the team is and how hard they fight and complains about the refs. its just what he does. he talks up EVERYONE. __________________ Who says shameless self promotion is stupid? oh yeah, that was me... Click For Tunes!

03-06-2006, 03:59 PM	#22
70Chip Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Manassas Age: 42 Posts: 3,048	Re: Dockery signs qualifying offer I'm comfortable with Doc's performance last year. Sure , he is slow, but he hasn't been injury prone and he doesn't seem to make any more mistakes than the rest of the guys. I thought he was excellent in pass pro. After seeing Raymer against the Seahwaks, they obviously need depth but I don't know if I would use the second pick. I suppose it would depend on who was available. __________________ This Monkey's Gone to Heaven

03-06-2006, 04:01 PM	#23
Monksdown Robert Griffin III Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 32 Posts: 1,495	Re: Dockery signs qualifying offer I base most of my opinions on Madden ps2. My computer progressed him to an 85 overall, and at what Im paying him, that's money. But on a more serious note. He is a fat motherfr, and I love that in a guard. Just don't pull opposite him as much. Let Randy do the work with the "Rock" __________________ Robert Griffin III

03-06-2006, 07:10 PM	#25
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,674	Re: Dockery signs qualifying offer Dock gets a bad rap around here for some reason, while he still has room for improvement we certainly could be alot worse off. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

03-06-2006, 08:14 PM	#28
steveo395 The Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,673	Re: Dockery signs qualifying offer I dont see why everyone thinks he's so bad. He's never missed a game and he has improved every year. He played pretty well last year and I would like to see someone find a better guard for the price too.

03-06-2006, 08:51 PM	#30
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 30 Posts: 15,621	Re: Dockery signs qualifying offer that's just bugel talking up his players publicly again. he does that too. remeber blache explaining how he rather not have a DE that's any good at pass rushing in defending his DL players? the coaches have a bad habit of (publicly) telling everyone they've got superstars in waiting at every position. __________________ Who says shameless self promotion is stupid? oh yeah, that was me... Click For Tunes!

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