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Old 03-10-2006, 09:44 AM   #16
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Re: Brandon Lloyd

With Moss out of the picture, Burleson put up some pretty solid numbers in '04. You don't think Burleson's gonna cost more than Lloyd?

Even with his injury, Burleson has put up as much yardage (1334) and TD's (10) as Lloyd has (1298yd, 11TD) in the past two seasons.

I can't see us getting him cheaper than Lloyd.
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Old 03-10-2006, 09:45 AM   #17
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Is there anything about Lloyd that people like more than Givens? To me, they're similar age, size, potential, numbers.......except that Givens is more consistent and drops less balls. So why not target him and give up no draft picks instead of Lloyd?
To be fair, look who's throwing to each receiver. Is Givens really that good? Is Lloyd really that bad?

And what the hell do we do with Patten?
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Old 03-10-2006, 09:47 AM   #18
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To be fair, look who's throwing to each receiver. Is Givens really that good? Is Lloyd really that bad?

And what the hell do we do with Patten?
True, but if there is one thing we all know about Brady, he spreads the ball around perhaps better than anyone else in the league. On another team, being the solid #2 guy, I really don't see why Givens wouldn't be as good, if not better than Lloyd.

As for Patten, that problem remains regardless of whether we would pick up Givens or Lloyd.
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Old 03-10-2006, 09:52 AM   #19
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True, but if there is one thing we all know about Brady, he spreads the ball around perhaps better than anyone else in the league. On another team, being the solid #2 guy, I really don't see why Givens wouldn't be as good, if not better than Lloyd.

As for Patten, that problem remains regardless of whether we would pick up Givens or Lloyd.
Yeah, I wasn't comparing stats there, just saying that being Tom Brady's WR1/2 is a lot easier job than being WR1 on the Niners (no matter who's throwing the ball).
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Yeah, I wasn't comparing stats there, just saying that being Tom Brady's WR1/2 is a lot easier job than being WR1 on the Niners (no matter who's throwing the ball).
Certainly can't argue with that.
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Old 03-10-2006, 10:00 AM   #21
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Re: Brandon Lloyd

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With Moss out of the picture, Burleson put up some pretty solid numbers in '04. You don't think Burleson's gonna cost more than Lloyd?

Even with his injury, Burleson has put up as much yardage (1334) and TD's (10) as Lloyd has (1298yd, 11TD) in the past two seasons.

I can't see us getting him cheaper than Lloyd.
The 49er's made a much better tender offer to Lloyd (about $1.55 million) than the Vikings gave to Burleson (about $712,000). This doesn't necessarily equate to salary if either player signs with another team, but it gives you an idea of how that player is valued by the team and where you'd have to start in order to make a run at them. Burleson also had such a bad year last year that I think he fell off the radar for some teams.
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Old 03-10-2006, 10:15 AM   #22
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The 49er's made a much better tender offer to Lloyd (about $1.55 million) than the Vikings gave to Burleson (about $712,000). This doesn't necessarily equate to salary if either player signs with another team, but it gives you an idea of how that player is valued by the team and where you'd have to start in order to make a run at them. Burleson also had such a bad year last year that I think he fell off the radar for some teams.
Man, it's no wonder the Vikings are always circling the bowl!

Thanks for the tender offer numbers, I hadn't seen those. I always use the NFLPA player database for salary info but with all the intricacies and loopholes of NFL contracts, it's hard to actually tell how much a guy is getting paid.
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Old 03-10-2006, 10:34 AM   #23
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Re: Brandon Lloyd

I'm actually more intrigued by some of the other names brought up in this article:

LB/DE: Andre Carter - versatile player who can get after the QB.

DT: Maake Kemoeatu - this guy is a monster DT (6-5, 350) who could really plug up the middle and free up Griffin.

If we grabbed Carter, Kemoeatu and Lloyd, that would be a hell of a start to the offseason!
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Re: Brandon Lloyd

I was interested in Carter myself. He wouldn't command a high price and would be a great replacement to LaVar since he plays LB and could be used at DE.

I THINK I'd pass on Lloyd. I think there are better options for less $$$.
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Old 03-10-2006, 10:51 AM   #25
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Re: Brandon Lloyd

I am a little mixed. I think we could use the second round pick to help our secondary, but if they are willing to send it to the 49ers for Lloyd, then they obviously have a plan regarding adding CB or safety help. I think I would be alot better move than signing Bruce, or Randel EL. He is only 24, and is going into his prime in the next year or two. Like someone said earlier we can sign him to a long term deal, 4 or 5 years. Might be a pretty good move. 2nd round pick would be 22 years old and not ready to play in a year or two anyway.
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Old 03-10-2006, 10:55 AM   #26
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Re: Brandon Lloyd

The problem with Burleson is that he is a RFA. I know Lloyd is too, but the Vikes probably have the most salary cap play to work with. I wouldn't look for Burleson to be going anywhere. I can't say the same for Culpepper though.
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Re: Brandon Lloyd

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I'm actually more intrigued by some of the other names brought up in this article:

LB/DE: Andre Carter - versatile player who can get after the QB.

DT: Maake Kemoeatu - this guy is a monster DT (6-5, 350) who could really plug up the middle and free up Griffin.

If we grabbed Carter, Kemoeatu and Lloyd, that would be a hell of a start to the offseason!
I've been wanting Carter for a while now, but some people have been saying he's better suited for a 3-4 apparently
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Old 03-10-2006, 11:10 AM   #28
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Re: Brandon Lloyd

ive heard that too, but i just dont see how someone can be better suited for a 3-4. i mean if you can tackle, you can tackle.
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I've been wanting Carter for a while now, but some people have been saying he's better suited for a 3-4 apparently
GW does run it now and then.

Carter is a very versatile player which I think GW loves. We could line him up at DE in the 4-3 and 46, and LB in the 3-4.
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Re: Brandon Lloyd

AND better yet, he won't bitch about it.
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