Brandon Lloyd vs Javon Walker:

Daseal · 03-11-2006, 12:49 PM

I'm in no way trying to say Santana sucks, but I think we need to look at the very possible reality that he might not repeat his stats. Someone earlier said stats show the true picture, so I tossed that out there to show that it's not like he was torching anyone great. While he had some huge games, namely Dallas I (as far as importance of his catches) until he has a repeat performance I'm going to be skeptical of him as a true #1. I don't think that's too unrealistic.

steveo395 · 03-11-2006, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

Want some stats: the only games that Moss got over 100 yards in were against teams with a pass defense ranked #20 or worse. (Thanks to ESPN towards the end of the season for the stat)

Too bad your stat is wrong

His hundred yard games were against:
Dallas (11th pass defense)
Denver (29th pass defense)
Kansas City (30th pass defense)
San Francisco (32nd pass defense)
New York (27th pass defense)
Seattle(playoffs) (25th pass defense)

He also had 96 yards against chicago, who had the 5th best pass defense

Most of his 100 yard games were against teams with bad pass defenses but not all of them

RiggoRules · 03-11-2006, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

I'm in no way trying to say Santana sucks, but I think we need to look at the very possible reality that he might not repeat his stats. Someone earlier said stats show the true picture, so I tossed that out there to show that it's not like he was torching anyone great. While he had some huge games, namely Dallas I (as far as importance of his catches) until he has a repeat performance I'm going to be skeptical of him as a true #1. I don't think that's too unrealistic.

One of the other things the stats don't show: double coverage.

The impact of Patten going done was very significant. Moss was the only WR that anyone had to worry about for half the season. If we do add Lloyd and Randel El, the impact on the passing game for the TEAM (this isn't fantasy football, Moss' numbers don't matter, the teams do) will be highly significant.

SEA was in the Super Bowl and we weren't because our passing game needed some Viagra. We aren't likely to upgrade at QB. Upgrading at WR2 and WR3 is far less expensive and will get us much closer to where we want to be.

Mattyk · 03-11-2006, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

I'm in no way trying to say Santana sucks, but I think we need to look at the very possible reality that he might not repeat his stats. Someone earlier said stats show the true picture, so I tossed that out there to show that it's not like he was torching anyone great. While he had some huge games, namely Dallas I (as far as importance of his catches) until he has a repeat performance I'm going to be skeptical of him as a true #1. I don't think that's too unrealistic.

Nothing wrong with being a bit skeptical until he proves he can do it again, but if you're skeptical of Moss, it seems odd you would say Lloyd could be our #1, when he hasn't had anything close to the kind of season Moss had last year.

Mattyk · 03-11-2006, 12:58 PM

With a solid group of WRs around him, in all likelihood Moss's numbers will drop a bit, but that won't mean he's not a capable #1 WR. Stats are nice but they don't always tell the whole story.

SmootSmack · 03-11-2006, 12:59 PM

It's not like last year was the first year Moss put up good stats though. In 2003, he had 74 catches, 1105 yards and 10 TDs. In 2004 he only had 45 catches, but he did finish with nearly 900 yards receiving (not #1 receiver stats, but I don't think he was the Jets top option that year anyway).

Mattyk · 03-11-2006, 01:01 PM

Moss is a player, end of story.

Daseal · 03-11-2006, 02:04 PM

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when he hasn't had anything close to the kind of season Moss had last year

I'm saying he could end up our #1, not that he comes in that way. While Moss has had some solid years, he's had some down years and some injuries. I'll continue to be skeptical till I see it for another year, and honestly I don't care what he does as long as we're winning =p

Dirtbag59 · 03-11-2006, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

It's not like last year was the first year Moss put up good stats though. In 2003, he had 74 catches, 1105 yards and 10 TDs. In 2004 he only had 45 catches, but he did finish with nearly 900 yards receiving (not #1 receiver stats, but I don't think he was the Jets top option that year anyway).

Remember when he came last year, he noted how Coles had like 90 catches and that if he had that many oppurtunities to catch the ball that he could have easily put up big time numbers. I don't know though if he delivered on that promise. I mean 1483 yards thats like only, 14.8 football fields.

Dirtbag59 · 03-11-2006, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

I'm saying he could end up our #1, not that he comes in that way. While Moss has had some solid years, he's had some down years and some injuries. I'll continue to be skeptical till I see it for another year, and honestly I don't care what he does as long as we're winning =p

The great thing about this is that if God fobid Moss gets hurt we'll have a solid Reciever by commitee with Randle El, Lloyd, Patten, Cooley, and Portis (Even though I have a feeling that Patten might get cut if we get Antwan and Lloyd).

That Guy · 03-11-2006, 05:02 PM

walker is way better. more expensive, but more productive. i don't think we'll try for or get him though.

itvnetop · 03-11-2006, 06:13 PM

javon walker hands down... even coming off of last season's injury.

That Guy · 03-11-2006, 06:22 PM

with the picks given up, i don't think you can really call lloyd a "value" unless he's going to come in and put up 1200 yards.

BigSKINBauer · 03-11-2006, 06:33 PM

If you add up the last 3 years for Lloyd he only then can be compared with moss's last year.

I am confused. Walker is still with Greenbay, right? No matter how upset he is why would Greenbay let him go. They have tons of space and they aren't paying walker shit...?

That Guy · 03-11-2006, 07:47 PM

they may let him go caue he threatened to sit out. I think anyone that wants him has a super long shot, cause GB needs compensation and walker has to be happy with the new team and the new deal.

03-11-2006, 12:49 PM	#16
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 30 Posts: 8,058	Re: Brandon Lloyd vs Javon Walker: I'm in no way trying to say Santana sucks, but I think we need to look at the very possible reality that he might not repeat his stats. Someone earlier said stats show the true picture, so I tossed that out there to show that it's not like he was torching anyone great. While he had some huge games, namely Dallas I (as far as importance of his catches) until he has a repeat performance I'm going to be skeptical of him as a true #1. I don't think that's too unrealistic. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

03-11-2006, 12:59 PM	#21
SmootSmack The Bluths Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,105	Re: Brandon Lloyd vs Javon Walker: It's not like last year was the first year Moss put up good stats though. In 2003, he had 74 catches, 1105 yards and 10 TDs. In 2004 he only had 45 catches, but he did finish with nearly 900 yards receiving (not #1 receiver stats, but I don't think he was the Jets top option that year anyway). __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

03-11-2006, 01:01 PM	#22
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,751	Re: Brandon Lloyd vs Javon Walker: Moss is a player, end of story. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

03-11-2006, 05:02 PM	#26
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 30 Posts: 15,624	Re: Brandon Lloyd vs Javon Walker: walker is way better. more expensive, but more productive. i don't think we'll try for or get him though. __________________ Who says shameless self promotion is stupid? oh yeah, that was me... Click For Tunes!

03-11-2006, 06:13 PM	#27
itvnetop Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Age: 36 Posts: 2,709	Re: Brandon Lloyd vs Javon Walker: javon walker hands down... even coming off of last season's injury.

03-11-2006, 12:58 PM	#20
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,751	Re: Brandon Lloyd vs Javon Walker: With a solid group of WRs around him, in all likelihood Moss's numbers will drop a bit, but that won't mean he's not a capable #1 WR. Stats are nice but they don't always tell the whole story. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

03-11-2006, 06:22 PM	#28
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 30 Posts: 15,624	Re: Brandon Lloyd vs Javon Walker: with the picks given up, i don't think you can really call lloyd a "value" unless he's going to come in and put up 1200 yards. __________________ Who says shameless self promotion is stupid? oh yeah, that was me... Click For Tunes!

03-11-2006, 06:33 PM	#29
BigSKINBauer Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: College Park; where they chop cars Age: 25 Posts: 5,635	Re: Brandon Lloyd vs Javon Walker: If you add up the last 3 years for Lloyd he only then can be compared with moss's last year. I am confused. Walker is still with Greenbay, right? No matter how upset he is why would Greenbay let him go. They have tons of space and they aren't paying walker shit...? __________________ "For there is nothing half so glorious As to see our team victorious" --UMD Fight Song BSB-2010

03-11-2006, 07:47 PM	#30
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 30 Posts: 15,624	Re: Brandon Lloyd vs Javon Walker: they may let him go caue he threatened to sit out. I think anyone that wants him has a super long shot, cause GB needs compensation and walker has to be happy with the new team and the new deal. __________________ Who says shameless self promotion is stupid? oh yeah, that was me... Click For Tunes!

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