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Old 03-11-2006, 02:22 PM   #31
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Re: Good luck with B-Lloyd

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This is very easily explained - He thought the ball was Sean Taylor and was going to roundhouse kick his helmet off.

BTW - TAFKAS is wrong about the change of scenery. It's Joe Gibbs that will "Get Lloyd right" - not the pretty pictures on the walls.
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Old 03-11-2006, 02:35 PM   #32
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Maybe the sun got in his eyes??? But isn't this the same thing we heard about Moss before he came here? That he was not the player that the Jets believe he was coming out of the college? That Moss was not a top WR and maybe just a kickoff return guy at best? Well Gibbs as something in Moss and if we can believe reports about Lloyd and the Redskins Gibbs must see something here as well!
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Old 03-11-2006, 04:46 PM   #33
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Man I hate this thread. Now I'm starting to get a bad feeling about Lloyd. Screw you 9erman. You made me think.
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Old 03-11-2006, 05:08 PM   #34
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The jets fans generally liked santana and would rather have kept him, but thought coles was better and so they liked the trade. I don't remember much actual "he sucks" stuff though. just the sideline thing and the yearly hamstring injury.

the 3rd rounder could be hass or orr, which, i think, could both be good WRs.

everyone gets so swept up in the FA stuff and so overly excited they start looking at EVERY FA mentioned as a uper star immediately some of them have baggage and have reasons why they're being cut loose.
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9erman, any thoughts on andre carter while you're here?
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Old 03-11-2006, 05:54 PM   #36
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...&q=lloyd+49ers

some of lloyds other highlights
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lloyd and roy look like the perfect WRs for micheal vick.
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Old 03-11-2006, 08:18 PM   #38
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We have a couple draft picks that have never been given a chance. We just don't feel that Lloyd has the heart and determination that we would like.


I was a big supporter of Lloyd....up until the drop againt CHI in the redzone that he blamed on the QB.
I believe we have enough vet leadership on this team to set him straight,should he start with the bad mouthing.
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Old 03-12-2006, 02:03 AM   #39
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Andre Carter could be a good DE if he is not always doubled. Capable of 10+ sacks. He is just not quick enough for our 3-4.
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that's good to know. 10+ sacks > 0.5 sacks (wynn).
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that's good to know. 10+ sacks > 0.5 sacks (wynn).
No you idiot. .5 sacks > 10+ sacks. Wait hold on let me count.....
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Lloyd is definately worth the risk. It sure beats drafting a rookie, who could be a total coin flip.
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We have a couple draft picks that have never been given a chance. We just don't feel that Lloyd has the heart and determination that we would like.


I was a big supporter of Lloyd....up until the drop againt CHI in the redzone that he blamed on the QB.
Clearly it is a bad throw, but Llyod should probably be aware of the routes on the play and know he is the only receiver in the area. I think we'll have to say that the jury is out and we will see come training camp/first couple of games. 9erman (and SF press) are not the only ones that I have heard bashing Llyod/questioning his work ethic/consistency. I've also heard his route running leaves something to be desired (i.e. he'll run a dig but forget to dig). I'd say someone needs to smack him around a bit, yank the big gold chains off his neck, and remind him he is a football player and not the next coming of Jay-Z as it seems like a lot of his issues have to do with preparation and mindset rather than skill. Someone needs to bring him back to earth and he needs to devote more time to football rather than chasing a record deal...and please get rid of that website (ouch).

Funny thing is that when I read 9erman's commentary my mind went way back to 1996 rather than last year with Santana. I remember I was on another Skins board at the time and a Rams fan came on and trumpeted a similar warning about Sean Gilbert and everyone jumped down his throat. I'd say we still probably got the better end of that deal (they got Lawrence Phillips at #6, Fairly Glenn went #7, and Cedric something [DE bust] went to the Giants at #8) plus we fleeced the Panthers for two #1 picks (wow!) that turned into Champ Bailey and Lavar Arrington. Point being he was at least right about Gilbert and his horrible attitude. Anyway, I take it as a good sign that my pessimism is back after my initial euforia of last night...probably means Llyod will have 1,400 yards and 10 TDs.
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The vanilla defense Nolan ran in DC had a lot to do with the lack of talent and many injuries on your defense. He is a good motivator and will not be calling the plays
I've also seen him run the same defense in NY (giants) and Baltimore when both teams had talent. While he is the most talked about DC he is far from the best. His love affair with prevent defenses is sickening and lack of agressiveness has cost his teams many a game.

Furthermore, on the subject of Norv, I couldn't agree more. He is a horrible HC. Can't motivate, is too soft on the players, and can't seem to garner their respect because he's too busy trying to be everyone's best friend. As an OC, he is an incredible offensive mind. Give him a top flite running back, tight end, and QB and he'll put together a solid offense for you.

We'll see what happens with Lloyd. There's lots of nay-sayers out there, no doubt, but then again everyone said that trading Moss for Coles would be a bust. Well it was for the Jets at least. We got a pro-bowl receiver out of the deal and the Jets got a Toe-bowl receiver. We're giving up a 3rd RD and 4th RD (don't listen to what the Post says, 90% of the time they make up stories on the laptop as they go along and call it news) so I feel it's pretty even in terms of value. We'll see if he's got the stuff to be the #2. I think there's going to be some heated competition for that position in SC and he'll be one of the contenders.
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I've also seen him run the same defense in NY (giants) and Baltimore when both teams had talent. While he is the most talked about DC he is far from the best. His love affair with prevent defenses is sickening and lack of agressiveness has cost his teams many a game.

Furthermore, on the subject of Norv, I couldn't agree more. He is a horrible HC. Can't motivate, is too soft on the players, and can't seem to garner their respect because he's too busy trying to be everyone's best friend. As an OC, he is an incredible offensive mind. Give him a top flite running back, tight end, and QB and he'll put together a solid offense for you.

We'll see what happens with Lloyd. There's lots of nay-sayers out there, no doubt, but then again everyone said that trading Moss for Coles would be a bust. Well it was for the Jets at least. We got a pro-bowl receiver out of the deal and the Jets got a Toe-bowl receiver. We're giving up a 3rd RD and 4th RD (don't listen to what the Post says, 90% of the time they make up stories on the laptop as they go along and call it news) so I feel it's pretty even in terms of value. We'll see if he's got the stuff to be the #2. I think there's going to be some heated competition for that position in SC and he'll be one of the contenders.
Good post....I think that we come out great here by picking up draft picks and replacing Lloyd through FA. I wish y'all the best of luck with both Lloyd and Carter and I hope they do well for you.
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