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Old 03-28-2006, 02:32 PM   #31
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Re: How Will Cambell Be Handled?

From what I understand, Saunders offense gives all the motions in the call and they are supposed to be very self explanitory. So as long as Campbell can repeat what Saunders says, and knows the name of the routes (curl, hook, fly, post, etc all have different names) he knows what every receiver is doing.
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Old 03-28-2006, 02:57 PM   #32
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From what I understand, Saunders offense gives all the motions in the call and they are supposed to be very self explanitory. So as long as Campbell can repeat what Saunders says, and knows the name of the routes (curl, hook, fly, post, etc all have different names) he knows what every receiver is doing.
I read about a three-digit playcalling system that was the brainchld of Coryell. Somehow it tells each player his assignment. From that standpoint it sounds simple in use, but volume is part of the plan. How do you practice 200-300 plays as part of the gameplan?
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Re: How Will Cambell Be Handled?

Given JG's loyalty to Brunnell, it's certainly Brunnell's job unless he's injured. My worry is that he'll get a "nagging" leg injury but won't sit, and his performance will drop off. How long until Gibbs sits him? Hopefully Saunders will have some pull here on that issue. My guess is he will, but JG has always made those QB decisions--it's one of his trademarks. We'll see.

The lack of audibles certainly simplifies things, but reading NFL defenses pre-snap takes experience, and Mark has that experience. I'd love to see us get a few blowouts, so Campbell can come in and get a feel for the game. Here's the plan: run it up early, and let Campbell ease it home.
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Re: How Will Cambell Be Handled?

Short answer.. However the coaching staff deems will be most successful..

Brunell obviously is the unquestioned starter going into the season (assuming no injury) but Campbell will see playing time. Based on the interview on Redskins.com he and Larry Michael agreed he would likely play at some point this upcoming season so there may be a plan to get him some extensive time with the starters in the preseason and be the primary backup in the regular season..
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Given JG's loyalty to Brunnell, it's certainly Brunnell's job unless he's injured.
I don't think JG's loyalty matters. I don't think Gibbs is going to say "Yeah, this is your offense, but you better play my quarterback." This is Saunders choice. That said, anyone have a list of Saunders QBs?
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Wait until the preseason and see how they're playing. All 3 WRs are good in space, so simple screens can end up as 20-40yard pass plays. Moss is great at adjusting to mis-aimed passes and lloyd can make something out of nothing every now and then. Portis and cooley can adjust too.

I think becaue of the amount of general talent outside the QB position, that it probably won't be the harshest system to learn or play in. Brunell is only above average (until he gets tired or hurt and becomes absolutely awful), so there's a chance campbell could be an upgrade there (besides just a younger QB). Its hard to tell when no one has actually seen him play outside 2minutes during a ravens preseason scrub session.
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I don't think JG's loyalty matters. I don't think Gibbs is going to say "Yeah, this is your offense, but you better play my quarterback." This is Saunders choice. That said, anyone have a list of Saunders QBs?
kurt warner and trent green are probably the best known ones.
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Old 03-28-2006, 07:27 PM   #38
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[quote=Huddle]Anybody care to guess with the coaching staff? How will Jason Campbell be handled this year? Here are some of the factors to consider:

a) Jason, a pocket passer, is better suited to the Saunders offense than Mark;
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Huddle, I like a lot of your opinions, but I gotta question your premise on point "a." I haven't seen enough of Jason Campbell at the pro level to know what kind of QB he will be. And your statement implies that Brunell is not a pocket passer. He actually is, but he's mobile within the pocket to buy an extra half-second for someone to get open. With Lloyd and R-El, maybe he won't have to do that so much next season. It's rare that he runs past the line of scrimmage. (Brunell ran for 111 yards last season for 2.9 ypc. Mike Vick ran for 597 yards, 5.9 ypc, and was Atlanta's #2 rusher last season. NOT a pocket passer.)

There's nothing to suggest the Brunell is unsuited for whatever offense Saunders comes up with. His experience should give him a leg up on adapting to a new offense. If his knees hold up, he's the man. Incidentally, John Elway won his first Super Bowl at age 37.

I think Campbell gets the equivilent of two full games in the preseason with the start going to whoever is most effective (tie goes to Brunell).
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Anybody care to guess with the coaching staff? How will Jason Campbell be handled this year? Here are some of the factors to consider:

a) Jason, a pocket passer, is better suited to the Saunders offense than Mark;
Huddle, I like a lot of your opinions, but I gotta question your premise on point "a." I haven't seen enough of Jason Campbell at the pro level to know what kind of QB he will be. And your statement implies that Brunell is not a pocket passer. He actually is, but he's mobile within the pocket to buy an extra half-second for someone to get open. With Lloyd and R-El, maybe he won't have to do that so much next season. It's rare that he runs past the line of scrimmage. (Brunell ran for 111 yards last season for 2.9 ypc. Mike Vick ran for 597 yards, 5.9 ypc, and was Atlanta's #2 rusher last season. NOT a pocket passer.)

There's nothing to suggest the Brunell is unsuited for whatever offense Saunders comes up with. His experience should give him a leg up on adapting to a new offense. If his knees hold up, he's the man. Incidentally, John Elway won his first Super Bowl at age 37.

I think Campbell gets the equivilent of two full games in the preseason with the start going to whoever is most effective (tie goes to Brunell).
Brunell does a great job picking his spots to run. He gets a lot of big gains doing so. That average is weighed down by scrambles where he runs out after one yard to avoid having to throw.
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Re: How Will Cambell Be Handled?

we should establish more running game if we will use JC,
just like steelers do with Roetlisberger
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Re: How Will Cambell Be Handled?

I doubt if we'll see Cambell at all in 06'...he's third string and Collins would play before he does. I think that Gibbs didn't intend to play Cambell when he drafted him; he was more of insurance for Ramsey who's days were numbered. Brunell is the guy as long as Gibbs is here...I pridict that Gibbs and Brunell will both leave around the same time.
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I doubt if we'll see Cambell at all in 06'...he's third string and Collins would play before he does. I think that Gibbs didn't intend to play Cambell when he drafted him; he was more of insurance for Ramsey who's days were numbered. Brunell is the guy as long as Gibbs is here...I pridict that Gibbs and Brunell will both leave around the same time.
Well, I see what you are saying, but remember that Gibbs gave up a lot to get Campbell, so he must at least be considering turning over the reins to him sometime before he goes. But for right now, it's Brunell and that's all that matters.
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Old 03-29-2006, 09:08 AM   #43
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This thread has turned into more of a controversy about Brunell than I had intended when I wrote Post One. Apparently, a significant number of you don't feel that the Skins need to get Campbell ready for the starting role this next season. I hope the coaches aren't thinking that way.

Brunell's legs are as important in his game as his arm. In his two years with the Redskins, most of his games were played with nagging injuries: hamstring pull, calf injury, knee strain. The odds against his playing the 2006 season unhampered by injury are high. This problem, super-imposed over the natural decline of his 36 year-old body ought to tell us that he can't be counted on to perform at a peak level next season.

It seems to me that the Skins can kill two birds with one stone. By working Campbell into action gradually, Brunell can be kept fresh and ready to play with rest in between starts against the toughest defenses on our schedule.

The alternatives are to wait for Brunell to go down and start Campbell raw or start Collins.

Unless the glowing reports about Campbell coming from Redskin Park are bull, there's no good reason not to get him ready this year.

He needs to play to get ready. Two years of holding a clipboard makes no sense if he's truly our franchise QB.
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This thread has turned into more of a controversy about Brunell than I had intended when I wrote Post One. Apparently, a significant number of you don't feel that the Skins need to get Campbell ready for the starting role this season. I hope the coaches aren't thinking that way.

Brunell's legs are as important in his game as his arm. In his two years with the Redskins, most of his games were played with nagging injuries: hamstring pull, calf injury, knee strain. The odds against his playing the 2006 season unhampered by injury are high. This problem, super-imposed over the natural decline of his 36 year-old body ought to tell us that he can't be counted on to perform at a peak level next season.

It seems to me that the Skins can kill two birds with one stone. By working Campbell into action gradually, Brunell can be kept fresh and ready to play with rest in between starts against the toughest defenses on our schedule.

The alternatives are to wait for Brunell to go down and start Campbell raw or start Collins.

Unless the glowing reports about Campbell coming from Redskin Park are bull, there's no good reason not to get him ready this year.

He needs to play to get ready. Two years of holding a clipboard makes no sense if he's truly our franchise QB.
How do you suggest they do this? By having a QB platoon?

This isn't college, as long as Brunell is playing and playing well, he will be the unquestioned starter. Campbell is going to have to get ready as he can by learning on the bench and soaking up as much as he can with mental reps. I just don't see him playing much this year especially if Brunell is playing well and the team is in the playoff hunt.

Two years of holding a clipboard makes sense if you have a capable veteran ahead of him and the team is geared up for a Super Bowl run.

Coming out of college Campbell was considered a bit of a project who could benefit by sitting for a year or two. I just don't understand why some people feel the need to rush him along, like if he's not playing this year he's already a bust.

Let's also remember that Gibbs is an old school coach who isn't afraid to let his QBs sit and learn.
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How do you suggest they do this? By having a QB platoon?

This isn't college, as long as Brunell is playing and playing well, he will be the unquestioned starter. Campbell is going to have to get ready as he can by learning on the bench and soaking up as much as he can with mental reps. I just don't see him playing much this year especially if Brunell is playing well and the team is in the playoff hunt.

Two years of holding a clipboard makes sense if you have a capable veteran ahead of him and the team is geared up for a Super Bowl run.

Coming out of college Campbell was considered a bit of a project who could benefit by sitting for a year or two. I just don't understand why some people feel the need to rush him along, like if he's not playing this year he's already a bust.

Let's also remember that Gibbs is an old school coach who isn't afraid to let his QBs sit and learn.
I agree on all counts. A QB rotation isn't going to work in the NFL (just ask Spurrier......how'd we do when almost every week we had a different starter?).

I also don't see what the big rush is. Are the reports out of Redskin Park great for Campbell? Of course they are. What are they going to do? Say "wow, this guy sucks. I can't believe we wasted a first round pick on him. What a moron."? Of course not. But all of the scouting reports on him before we drafted him called into question his ability to learn and master an NFL offense. There were serious concerns about his ability to retain the amount of information that is encompassed within an NFL offense (since his college coach had to run a more simplified version of their offense for him at Auburn).

For someone who may be having a tough time taking it all in and mastering the offense, two years of clipboard service is exactly what would do him the most good. He's got the physical tools, we all agree with that. But if you put him in there before he's mentally prepared with 235 lb linebackers and 300 lb linemen trying to kill him, you're putting him in a hole he's not likely to be able to climb out of.

Brunell got us into the playoffs last year. I agree with some comments that we got there and beat the Bucs in spite of Brunell, not because of Brunell. But I also agree that he didn't have the tools to continue to shine the way he did early in the season. With our current WR corp, and praying for a healthy O-line, I see no reason why Brunell can't be our guy this year. Could he get injured? Sure. So could Randy Thomas. So could Santana Moss. So could Shawn Springs. They all have before, but does that mean we try pushing their backups in ahead of them simply because the backup is younger and may have to take over for them if they got injured? I'd say no. You play your starters and you worry about injuries when they happen, and you hope that you've done an adequate job of adding depth to your roster to cover such circumstances.
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