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Old 04-13-2006, 03:39 PM   #16
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Re: Why Did Ramsey Really Go to the Jets?

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I'm never going to understand why people think Ramsey is destined to be a top 10 QB in this league someday. When there are talents out there like Eli Manning, Peyton, Brady, Brees, Brad Johnson, McNabb, Culpepper, Roethlisberger, Carson Palmer, Delhomme, and Hasselbeck, I just don't understand what people see in Patrick Ramsey that makes them think he's going to one day join the ranks of those type QBs.
How could you say Brad Johnson, who will be 38 this year, is a top 10 QB. He's not a top 10 QB now, and he definitely won't be by the time Ramsey ever does (if he does)
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Old 04-13-2006, 03:42 PM   #17
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We've been wondering where you've been? You've been pretty quiet lately.
That's what I was thinking. When Scneed mentioned him I did a mental cut to the gorilla cage a la Trading Places.

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Old 04-13-2006, 03:49 PM   #18
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Bottom line your right I am no GM, and neither is Gibbs, why else would you give up a second rd pick for a QB who was about to be released...
he didn't, the 2nd went in the portis trade.
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Old 04-13-2006, 03:51 PM   #19
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Re: Why Did Ramsey Really Go to the Jets?

I think Ramsey is a great guy, but I don't think he will ever be anything special at this point. Even his one long TD pass to Moss in the Giants game was a bad pass that Moss jumped for and made a guy fall down. Basically Moss made Ramsey look good. Even though some of us love to hate Brunell and his wimpy arm, he really knows how to play QB and I have a lot of confidence in him making good decisions. Will Ramsey ever get to that point? I wonder.
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Old 04-13-2006, 03:51 PM   #20
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We've been wondering where you've been? You've been pretty quiet lately.
Probably because we haven't had a Ramsey thread in a while.

Unfortunately, here we go yet again.

Ramsey the great... apparently 32 teams around the league are just dead wrong about him. Why don't they see the Montana-esque greatness that lies beneath? A Hall of Fame coach that appears to know a thing or two about evaluating QBs is just dead wrong too, right?

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Old 04-13-2006, 03:58 PM   #21
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How could you say Brad Johnson, who will be 38 this year, is a top 10 QB. He's not a top 10 QB now, and he definitely won't be by the time Ramsey ever does (if he does)
Sorry, that wasn't my intention to say Johnson is necessarily a top 10 QB. I do think he's pretty good though. I was just making a point that with these QBs currently playing in the league, what in the world makes anyone think Ramsey will be as good as these guys are now?

I don't think Ramsey will ever be as good as Brad Johnson is right now.
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Old 04-13-2006, 04:25 PM   #22
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We've been wondering where you've been? You've been pretty quiet lately.
Myself!
To piggy back on MK's post, it is interesting that 32 GM's around the league fail to recognize the the greatness that inspired the legendary NFL coach Steve Spurrier to draft.............oh that's right, Spurrier left in shame as a complete NFL failure.........................maybe the other guys....are correct??? Maybe the burnt out, inept, petty fool that burned down the greatest QB in Redskins history, didn't lead us back to respectability for the first time since his last tenure???????????? maybe not
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To piggy back on MK's post, it is interesting that 32 GM's around the league fail to recognize the the greatness that inspired the legendary NFL coach Steve Spurrier to draft.............oh that's right, Spurrier left in shame as a complete NFL failure.........................maybe the other guys....are correct??? Maybe the burnt out, inept, petty fool that burned down the greatest QB in Redskins history, didn't lead us back to respectability for the first time since his last tenure???????????? maybe not
:confused: I don't get it...

Redskins_P, you're probably high right now. Do you get it?
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Old 04-13-2006, 04:41 PM   #24
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:confused: I don't get it...

Redskins_P, you're probably high right now. Do you get it?

Nah.....give me another hour to get home from work, and I'll definitely be high.....I mean get it.
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Hang in there T, it will come to you
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Man just what I've been waiting for another Ramsey debate. After this can we hop over to the Arrington debate.
The funny thing about all of this is that it will never go away. If Ramsey craps the bed in NY there will be the 'told you so' crowd and if he lights it up then the 'we never should have gotten rid of him' chorus will chime in.. The only thing that will end the discussion once and for all is Jason Campbell becoming a Super Bowl winning Pro Bowl QB..
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Old 04-13-2006, 05:35 PM   #27
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Re: Why Did Ramsey Really Go to the Jets?

Well, other QB castoffs have gone on to have some pretty good careers with other teams:

Brett Favre (Falcons)
Trent Green (Redskins)
Tom Tupa (Cardinals)....oh yeah, but as a punter
Vinny Testaverde (Bucs)
Rich Gannon (Patriots)
Doug Flutie (Rams)
Jeff Rutledge (Rams)
Steve DeBerg (Cowboys)
Ron Jaworski (Rams)
.....Joe Theismann (Dolphins)
Hell, even Doug Williams as good as he was didn't win a SB until he came to Washington.

My point is that lots of QBs given up for dead end up with some pretty good careers after leaving the team that drafted them. I personally don't think the story has been completely written for Ramsey. Let's see.


Oh, and please don't review this list and tell me which draft picks were traded to get the QBs. If they were that important to their original team, they would not have been let go in a trade either. Even Ramsey got a 6th rounder.


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Old 04-13-2006, 05:39 PM   #28
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Re: Why Did Ramsey Really Go to the Jets?

But to answer the original question in this thread, I think Ramsey had other backup QB offers, but he wanted a chance to compete for a starting role. I'm willing to bet that Gibbs and company tried to accommodate his wishes.
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Re: Why Did Ramsey Really Go to the Jets?

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Well, other QB castoffs have gone on to have some pretty good careers with other teams:

Brett Favre (Falcons)
Trent Green (Redskins)
Tom Tupa (Cardinals)....oh yeah, but as a punter
Vinny Testaverde (Bucs)
Rich Gannon (Patriots)
Doug Flutie (Rams)
Jeff Rutledge (Rams)
Steve DeBerg (Cowboys)
Ron Jaworski (Rams)
.....Joe Theismann (Dolphins)
Hell, even Doug Williams as good as he was didn't win a SB until he came to Washington.

My point is that lots of QBs given up for dead end up with some pretty good careers after leaving the team that drafted them. I personally don't think the story has been completely written for Ramsey. Let's see.


Oh, and please don't review this list and tell me which draft picks were traded to get the QBs. If they were that important to their original team, they would not have been let go in a trade either. Even Ramsey got a 6th rounder.


One more for the road. Sonny Jurgenson was originally an Eagle for godsakes.

Jeff Rutledge??? I suppose he was in the league for a while but I doubt Ramsey aspires to a Rutledge-like career.
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Old 04-13-2006, 05:54 PM   #30
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Re: Why Did Ramsey Really Go to the Jets?

I agree with what Socio said in his last post. The reason Ramsey went to the Jets is because they were the only potential trade partner willing to give Ramsey a shot at starting. I think that since Gibbs is such a nice guy he put PR in the best situation he could find even if it wasn't the one that benefitted the team the most.

I see several people like to dump on Offiss for thinking Ramsey has real upside. If Ramsey becomes the next Brees, will those people own up to being wrong? And if Ramsey doens't play better for the Jets than he did here, Offiss will you admit he isn't better than an average QB? Maybe some parameters could be set to define what would be a successful year for him, provided he gets to start.

And scowan, Moss made both QB's look good that game. It seems pretty unfair to Ramsey to talk about what a good catch that was, as if the throw was inconsequential. Watch the long TD Brunnell threw and the adjustment Moss made in that game. He was a great pickup, and a perfect example of how one organization can make good with a player that had a lackluster career elsewhere.
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