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Old 04-28-2006, 11:26 AM   #16
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Re: From a financial standpoint, doesn't Campbell need to play this year?

"So then what in the world are you saying? First you're "NOT suggesting that Gibbs start Jason Campell." Then you're saying "Having Campbell sit on the bench, or only operate with the 2nd stringers, does not make sense to me." Seems contradictory to me.

If you really care about getting value for a contract, why are you so concerned about getting value for Campbell, while showing no concern for getting value out of Brunell ($42 million contract)? It's not making any sense to me."

Well let me try and straighten this out for ya Schneed. Can you tell me how many snaps Jason Campbell has taken with the starting offense? Answer: None. Im saying that Campbell needs to be allowed to compete with Brunnell, he needs quality snaps with the starting offense and he needs more game time in the preseason. As far as why am I not criticizing Brunnell's contract, well that wasn't the point of the thread now was it? Ive dished out plenty of criticism on that contract before. Im not arguing value for $ spent, Im arguing assessing the value of a guy you gave up 2 first round draft picks for. As for the "Gibbs knows best" argument, you guys really don't need to respond if that's always the comeback argument. I love Gibbs, but to never ever question any of the personnel decisions or coaching decisions is unrealistic.
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Old 04-28-2006, 11:28 AM   #17
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Re: From a financial standpoint, doesn't Campbell need to play this year?

In the pre-draft press conference, Gibbs just said that Campbell will "play a ton" in preseason and that Brunell will not take much work. This will probably give us the best look we've had so far to see how he has progressed.
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Old 04-28-2006, 11:33 AM   #18
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Re: From a financial standpoint, doesn't Campbell need to play this year?

I don't think there is a financial resson to play Campbell. He's growing and learning in the system fine, he'll be the #2 guy this year and will eventually be a good starter.

There's no reason to throw Brunell's experience away out of impatience.

Now Phillip Rivers was an example of a financial reason to start a QB. That's why Brees, although he's been a GREAT QB over the past few years, is now a Saint. Rivers had a HUGE contract and was seeing no opportunities to get on the field. It will be interesting to watch him this year. I bet he won't do as well as Brees did in SD.
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Old 04-28-2006, 11:34 AM   #19
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Re: From a financial standpoint, doesn't Campbell need to play this year?

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I think we should try something new this year and have a two QB shot gun.
Ha, is that legal?

Can Brunell block?

We could make it three in the backfield with Randel El back there too.
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Old 04-28-2006, 11:41 AM   #20
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Ha, is that legal?

Can Brunell block?

We could make it three in the backfield with Randel El back there too.
Dont forget Portis! He's got an arm on him too!
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Old 04-28-2006, 11:45 AM   #21
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"So then what in the world are you saying? First you're "NOT suggesting that Gibbs start Jason Campell." Then you're saying "Having Campbell sit on the bench, or only operate with the 2nd stringers, does not make sense to me." Seems contradictory to me.

If you really care about getting value for a contract, why are you so concerned about getting value for Campbell, while showing no concern for getting value out of Brunell ($42 million contract)? It's not making any sense to me."

Well let me try and straighten this out for ya Schneed. Can you tell me how many snaps Jason Campbell has taken with the starting offense? Answer: None. Im saying that Campbell needs to be allowed to compete with Brunnell, he needs quality snaps with the starting offense and he needs more game time in the preseason. As far as why am I not criticizing Brunnell's contract, well that wasn't the point of the thread now was it? Ive dished out plenty of criticism on that contract before. Im not arguing value for $ spent, Im arguing assessing the value of a guy you gave up 2 first round draft picks for. As for the "Gibbs knows best" argument, you guys really don't need to respond if that's always the comeback argument. I love Gibbs, but to never ever question any of the personnel decisions or coaching decisions is unrealistic.
OK well whatever twisted logic you're using to assess the value you're getting from one player and not another, it's not making any sense to me. But whatever, it's not really the point.

The point is I don't care if Campbell shows us he's worthy of the picks we gave up this year. All I care about is putting the team out there that gives us the best chance to win the Super Bowl. Last time I checked you don't get a ring on your finger for getting great value for your draft picks.

Playing Campbell a lot in the preseason is a great idea. It's also not a new idea by any means. Gibbs has said on several occasions that he plans to do that this summer. But when the games are live, I don't care about finding out what we have in Campbell. I care about winning.
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PS - Jason Campbell is a Redskin for four more years. He'll have his chance. What's the hurry?
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Re: From a financial standpoint, doesn't Campbell need to play this year?

Riggo's real position -- UNDER the table:

At the 39th annual Washington Press Club "Salute to Congress" Dinner in 1985, Washington Redskins running back John Riggins was seated at a table with Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor. As usual, he had not missed attitude adjustment hour. Sometime before he passed out under the table, he managed to respond to what he considered boring dinner conversation by giving some advice to Mrs. Justice O'C. "Lighten up, Sandy baby," he said.
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Old 04-28-2006, 12:59 PM   #24
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Re: From a financial standpoint, doesn't Campbell need to play this year?

"The point is I don't care if Campbell shows us he's worthy of the picks we gave up this year. All I care about is putting the team out there that gives us the best chance to win the Super Bowl. Last time I checked you don't get a ring on your finger for getting great value for your draft picks."


I think the Patriots and the Steelers would disagree with you. Champions are built around draft picks, free agents merely supplement. We gave up a TON to get Campbell, 1st round picks that would arguably be contributing to this team right now.
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Re: From a financial standpoint, doesn't Campbell need to play this year?

if you're letting financial equations determine your starting lineup instead of talent, something is very very wrong. we'll see him in pre-season and have a better idea of what's going on then.
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Re: From a financial standpoint, doesn't Campbell need to play this year?

Can someone explain to me how, exactly, we gave up "2 first round picks" to get Campbell? We acquired a 2nd first round pick last year in place of our first round pick this year. That's not spending 2 first round picks, that's simply spending one first round pick a year in advance. We may have given up a lot in other picks, that I'd agree with........but I don't get how we are counting 2 first rounders for Campbell. Between last year and this year, we were going to have 2 first rounders if we never made the trade..........and guess what, that's exactly what we have: Rogers and Campbell.
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Re: From a financial standpoint, doesn't Campbell need to play this year?

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"The point is I don't care if Campbell shows us he's worthy of the picks we gave up this year. All I care about is putting the team out there that gives us the best chance to win the Super Bowl. Last time I checked you don't get a ring on your finger for getting great value for your draft picks."


I think the Patriots and the Steelers would disagree with you. Champions are built around draft picks, free agents merely supplement. We gave up a TON to get Campbell, 1st round picks that would arguably be contributing to this team right now.
Well considering the 1st round pick we gave up was for the 2006 draft I would say he wouldn't be contributing to the team right now
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Old 04-28-2006, 01:25 PM   #28
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In the pre-draft press conference, Gibbs just said that Campbell will "play a ton" in preseason and that Brunell will not take much work. This will probably give us the best look we've had so far to see how he has progressed.
This quote by Gibbs says it all to me. Brunell does not need the extra work in Preseason, all it will do is wear him down and possibly get him hurt. Campbell needs all the work he can get. I invision Brunell getting the start in every Preseason game and maybe playing one series or so before Campbell comes in (with the first string I might add) and playing until deep in the second half. At that point Collins will come in to clean it up. Brunell needs some "gametime" timing with Randle El and Lloyd, but not with Moss. Anyone can hand off to Portis, so Brunell's Preseason will be very limited.
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"The point is I don't care if Campbell shows us he's worthy of the picks we gave up this year. All I care about is putting the team out there that gives us the best chance to win the Super Bowl. Last time I checked you don't get a ring on your finger for getting great value for your draft picks."


I think the Patriots and the Steelers would disagree with you. Champions are built around draft picks, free agents merely supplement. We gave up a TON to get Campbell, 1st round picks that would arguably be contributing to this team right now.
This still makes no sense. The Pats and Steelers have rings because they played the best players. Not necessarily because they drafted them high. The single biggest reason the Pats have 3 rings is Tom Brady (6th round pick). If they kept and played the higher draft pick (Bledsoe) that probably wouldn't have worked out so well.

Draft position doesn't dictate your lineup. If you draft well, they'll end up in your lineup anyway. But not because of where they were picked. They'll end up in the starting lineup because they're the best players.

Just because you're picked high, that doesn't mean you're necessarily the best player. I think Campbell will be the best QB for the Skins at some point, but I'm not sure that will be this season.
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Re: From a financial standpoint, doesn't Campbell need to play this year?

Here's my philosophy on who plays and who doesn't. If there are new players vying for a starting position - whoever plays the best in practice and preseason gets the starting nod. If there is an incumbent who started the year before - the player, challenging for that starting spot, needs to outplay (in practice and preseason) the incumbent by a significant difference. The challenger needs to take the position, leaving no doubt.

Unless you are Gibbs, then you just trust your gut and play whoever, on what feels good to you.
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