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Old 06-22-2006, 10:51 AM   #16
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Re: Ramsey update

Yet he's getting beat out by a rookie at the moment and may not even make it through training camp...
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Old 06-22-2006, 10:53 AM   #17
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Some people just don't understand take the fact that Ramsey wasn't Gibbs guy from the start. He didn't owe him anything. Saying that Gibbs 'blackballed' him is just ridiculous and flys in the face of everything that Gibbs is all about.
I don't get why, or seemingly, people are so emotionally attached to Ramsey.
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Old 06-22-2006, 10:55 AM   #18
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Career Numbers:

Joey Harrington - Average of 186 yards per start. Two more picks than TD's for his career. 68.1 career QB Rating.

David Carr - Average of 180 yards per start. Five more picks than TD's for his career. 73.7 career QB Rating.

Patrick Ramsey - Average of 235 yards per start. Five more TD's than picks for his career. 75.0 career QB Rating.

And yet, Carr and Harrington have each "earned" 30+ more starts than Ramsey...
Don't you think the numbers are, in fact, skewed by the difference in number of starts?
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Old 06-22-2006, 10:57 AM   #19
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I don't get why, or seemingly, people are so emotionally attached to Ramsey.
I can understand it to a point, he was supposed to be our QB for the next decade. When he came in his rookie year and lit up the Titans, we thought we had our Brett Favre. But there comes a point where you have to take the emotion out of it and face reality.
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Old 06-22-2006, 10:57 AM   #20
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Re: Ramsey update

I don't think Heath Shuler got a fair deal. I'm still pissed about that...
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Old 06-22-2006, 11:00 AM   #21
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Re: Ramsey update

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Some people just don't understand take the fact that Ramsey wasn't Gibbs guy from the start. He didn't owe him anything. Saying that Gibbs 'blackballed' him is just ridiculous and flys in the face of everything that Gibbs is all about.
Actually, I understand that point perfectly. Gibbs said before that start of last season, that Ramsey was his guy, even though we all found out very quickly, that Ramsey was NOT his guy. I used the term "blackmalled" for affect, but at the very least, Gibbs lied.

This is all a moot point anyway since it happened better than a year ago. I just voiced my opinion because I wholeheartedly disagree with the attitude of most Redskin fans, that Ramsey got a fair shake.
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Re: Ramsey update

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Career Numbers:

Joey Harrington - Average of 186 yards per start. Two more picks than TD's for his career. 68.1 career QB Rating.

David Carr - Average of 180 yards per start. Five more picks than TD's for his career. 73.7 career QB Rating.

Patrick Ramsey - Average of 235 yards per start. Five more TD's than picks for his career. 75.0 career QB Rating.

And yet, Carr and Harrington have each "earned" 30+ more starts than Ramsey...
Ok, I can see your point - stat-wise Ramsey is a little better than Harrington and Carr. You could also chalk that slight difference up to Ramsey be surrounded by generally better personnel than Carr or Harrington.

Even looking at the stats though doesn't really say much about ANY of them. It's like arguing that this turd smells better than that one. All three of them are abysmal.

Like Matty and 12th said, Gibbs nor anyone else on the team is obligated to owe Ramsey anything, and a truly great QB would rise above the challenge. I just watched the Skins vs Bears game from last season and Ramsey was pretty atrocious prior to being pulled. Gibbs was justified in doing that.

I'm not sure why people can't even entertain the possibility that Ramsey is not cut out to be a #1 QB. How many years of mediocracy does it take? Blaming the system or the coach just gets silly after a while. Just because teams like the Texans or Lions (keep in mind these are consistently mismanaged, losing organizations) give their crappy QB more of a chance doesn't mean we should. If anything we should do the exact opposite and try to avoid the same fate as either of those two.

If you have a subpar QB you pull him and put someone else in. Supporting mediocracy for year after year is exactly why the Texans and Lions suck donkey balls, and I'm glad Coach Gibbs is smarter than that.
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Actually, I understand that point perfectly. Gibbs said before that start of last season, that Ramsey was his guy, even though we all found out very quickly, that Ramsey was NOT his guy. I used the term "blackmalled" for affect, but at the very least, Gibbs lied.

This is all a moot point anyway since it happened better than a year ago. I just voiced my opinion because I wholeheartedly disagree with the attitude of most Redskin fans, that Ramsey got a fair shake.
Gibbs didn't lie about anything. Ramsey was never his guy in that Gibbs inherited him, he didn't hand pick him.

He gave Ramsey the chance to win the job, and he stunk it up all preseason and was stinking it up against the Bears before he got knocked out of the game.

Life isn't fair, get over it.
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Actually, I understand that point perfectly. Gibbs said before that start of last season, that Ramsey was his guy, even though we all found out very quickly, that Ramsey was NOT his guy. I used the term "blackmalled" for affect, but at the very least, Gibbs lied.

This is all a moot point anyway since it happened better than a year ago. I just voiced my opinion because I wholeheartedly disagree with the attitude of most Redskin fans, that Ramsey got a fair shake.
At the time I'm sure Gibbs thought Ramsey WAS his guy. Just because he realized Ramsey can't cut it and pulled him doesn't mean he lied. If Ramsey put up crappy numbers year after year should Gibbs keep sticking with him until they're both in the grave or fired simply because Gibbs once said "Ramsey, you're our guy"?

Fact is Ramsey got pulled from the Bears game for a number of reasons. A fumble and interception in the first quarter, one wildly high pass after another, and generally looking extremely unsettled and uncomfortable in the pocket. There's no arguing about all that - I watched the game last night and the camera doesn't lie.

I'm sure there were alot more reasons and misgivings that Gibbs had prior to that game too. It wasn't based on 10 odd minutes of crappy performance.

Having Brunell come in and manage the game like a pro didn't really help Ramsey either. The better QB got played, plain and simple.
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Old 06-22-2006, 11:14 AM   #25
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Gibbs didn't lie about anything. Ramsey was never his guy in that Gibbs inherited him, he didn't hand pick him.

He gave Ramsey the chance to win the job, and he stunk it up all preseason and was stinking it up against the Bears before he got knocked out of the game.

Life isn't fair, get over it.
That's funny. I have to "get over it", but you intentionally start a negative thread about Ramsey, so that everyone can say "Haha! Ramsey sucks." God forbid someone disagrees.
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Old 06-22-2006, 11:16 AM   #26
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Re: Ramsey update

I agree with Matty absolutely. Ramsey was given the starting job. He performed incompetently. He was replaced by a far better quarterback.


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Gibbs didn't lie about anything. Ramsey was never his guy in that Gibbs inherited him, he didn't hand pick him.

He gave Ramsey the chance to win the job, and he stunk it up all preseason and was stinking it up against the Bears before he got knocked out of the game.

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Old 06-22-2006, 11:20 AM   #27
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That's funny. I have to "get over it", but you intentionally start a negative thread about Ramsey, so that everyone can say "Haha! Ramsey sucks." God forbid someone disagrees.
I wasn't trying to start a negative thread. Ramsey is still a popular guy, so I think it was a perfectly relevant topic to address. It's not my problem that some still have man crushes on the guy and can't accept that he's just not that good.

If the article said he was having a great camp I would have posted it just the same.
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Old 06-22-2006, 11:22 AM   #28
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Re: Ramsey update

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That's funny. I have to "get over it", but you intentionally start a negative thread about Ramsey, so that everyone can say "Haha! Ramsey sucks." God forbid someone disagrees.
Boo hoo. You weren't right 9 months ago, and you aren't right now. Get over it.
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Old 06-22-2006, 11:27 AM   #29
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I wasn't trying to start a negative thread. Ramsey is still a popular guy, so I think it was a perfectly relevant topic to address. It's not my problem that some still have man crushes on the guy and can't accept that he's just not that good.
Kind of like some peoples man crush on Joe Gibbs . My point was only that Ramsey didn't get a fair shake as compared to his peers. I agree that he's basically ruined now. While I do hope he can salvage his career somewhere, he's probably going to be stuck in a backup role for the rest of it.
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Old 06-22-2006, 11:31 AM   #30
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Kind of like some peoples man crush on Joe Gibbs .
Yeah, well my man has 3 Lombardi trophies. All yours has is a bronze medal from the Pan American Games for his javelin abilities.
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