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Old 06-22-2006, 08:27 AM   #1
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Ramsey update

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Ramsey, who was a tackling dummy in Washington under former coach Steve Spurrier, was a mild disappointment. He has the arm but missed several open receivers and his penchant for interceptions reared its ugly head. His frustration boiled over as he was visibly upset at times.

"You're out there competing and you want to do everything perfect every time," Ramsey said.
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Old 06-22-2006, 08:52 AM   #2
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The Jets aren't giving him a fair chance!!! How dare they have defenders and open receivers on the field!!!
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Damn, wish we would have kept him.

Every time I read something like this it reminds me why we're all not head coaches.
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Old 06-22-2006, 09:00 AM   #4
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You know if Ramsey doesn't produce up there people will say he's in a bad offense or so and so ruined his career. I

've always thought he would be a very solid QB, but never a great one.
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I realy liked Ramsey the person and realy hope that he can turn things around and get his career on track. It does not sound all that great and he may end up off the team or a 3rd string QB. Maybe they are now seeing what Gibbs knew and thats why he is no longer here and maybe a few people will quit second guessing Gibbs ability to evaluate talent.
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Damn, wish we would have kept him.

Every time I read something like this it reminds me why we're all not head coaches.
Wait, we're not?
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Old 06-22-2006, 09:33 AM   #7
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Re: Ramsey update

Perhaps we're beginning to learn that sometimes a guy doesn't get a fair shake because he doesn't earn it.

There are players in the NFL that aren't nearly as good as Ramsey, but they don't have the expectations that he suffered under. It's a shame because he seems to be a stand-up guy. Unfortunately, the chances he was given weren't successful, often for reasons outside his ability to control.
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Old 06-22-2006, 09:37 AM   #8
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Perhaps we're beginning to learn that sometimes a guy doesn't get a fair shake because he doesn't earn it.

There are players in the NFL that aren't nearly as good as Ramsey, but they don't have the expectations that he suffered under. It's a shame because he seems to be a stand-up guy. Unfortunately, the chances he was given weren't successful, often for reasons outside his ability to control.
Or more simply, just outside his ability altogether.

He's a nice guy, but at a certain point you've got to admit he's not cut out to be a #1 QB in the NFL. Doesn't make him any less of a nice guy, just means he doesn't have the talent.
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There are players in the NFL that aren't nearly as good as Ramsey, but they don't have the expectations that he suffered under. It's a shame because he seems to be a stand-up guy. Unfortunately, the chances he was given weren't successful, often for reasons outside his ability to control.
This is the most intelligent comment on this topic. Ramsey is better than the two quarterbacks that were selected before him in the draft, and they've both had three full seasons to mature. Harrington fizzled out, but until last season, he had the full support of the coaching staff. Carr still has the support of his team, and he has yet to prove anything except that he was picked WAY too early in the draft.

Meanwhile, Ramsey was circle jerked in an out of the lineup by Spurrier, and then blackballed by Gibbs. His maturation suffered, and eventually the fans turned on him. My only hope is that Campbell doesn't throw a pick in his first start, otherwise he'll be a bust in the eyes of typical Redskins fans.
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This is the most intelligent comment on this topic. Ramsey is better than the two quarterbacks that were selected before him in the draft, and they've both had three full seasons to mature. Harrington fizzled out, but until last season, he had the full support of the coaching staff. Carr still has the support of his team, and he has yet to prove anything except that he was picked WAY too early in the draft.

Meanwhile, Ramsey was circle jerked in an out of the lineup by Spurrier, and then blackballed by Gibbs. His maturation suffered, and eventually the fans turned on him. My only hope is that Campbell doesn't throw a pick in his first start, otherwise he'll be a bust in the eyes of typical Redskins fans.
What proof do you have to back that up?
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What proof do you have to back that up?
Ummmm... which part?
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Ummmm... which part?
The part from your post that I put in gigantic bold text. Let's try again:

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Ramsey is better than the two quarterbacks that were selected before him in the draft
Not trying to be an ass, I'm just honestly curious.
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This is the most intelligent comment on this topic. Ramsey is better than the two quarterbacks that were selected before him in the draft, and they've both had three full seasons to mature. Harrington fizzled out, but until last season, he had the full support of the coaching staff. Carr still has the support of his team, and he has yet to prove anything except that he was picked WAY too early in the draft.

Meanwhile, Ramsey was circle jerked in an out of the lineup by Spurrier, and then blackballed by Gibbs. His maturation suffered, and eventually the fans turned on him. My only hope is that Campbell doesn't throw a pick in his first start, otherwise he'll be a bust in the eyes of typical Redskins fans.
I don't think it's fair to say Ramsey was blackballed by Gibbs...how so? Gibbs simply chose and went witht he QB he thought gave the team the best chance at winning. Period. Fair or unfair, that's life in the NFL.

In my opinion, exceptional quaterbacks rise above the circumstances and situations handed to them and still perform. One thing we know for sure, Ramsey had a shot to prove himself. Whether his maturity was stunted by outside circumstances is debatable. But what isn't is that he had his chance, and for sure he's getting another shot in NY.
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I don't think it's fair to say Ramsey was blackballed by Gibbs...how so? Gibbs simply chose and went witht he QB he thought gave the team the best chance at winning. Period. Fair or unfair, that's life in the NFL.

In my opinion, exceptional quaterbacks rise above the circumstances and situations handed to them and still perform. One thing we know for sure, Ramsey had a shot to prove himself. Whether his maturity was stunted by outside circumstances is debatable. But what isn't is that he had his chance, and for sure he's getting another shot in NY.
Some people just don't understand take the fact that Ramsey wasn't Gibbs guy from the start. He didn't owe him anything. Saying that Gibbs 'blackballed' him is just ridiculous and flys in the face of everything that Gibbs is all about.
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Not trying to be an ass, I'm just honestly curious.
Career Numbers:

Joey Harrington - Average of 186 yards per start. Two more picks than TD's for his career. 68.1 career QB Rating.

David Carr - Average of 180 yards per start. Five more picks than TD's for his career. 73.7 career QB Rating.

Patrick Ramsey - Average of 235 yards per start. Five more TD's than picks for his career. 75.0 career QB Rating.

And yet, Carr and Harrington have each "earned" 30+ more starts than Ramsey...
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