If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article

TheMalcolmConnection · 07-06-2006, 04:07 PM

I also don't think we are planning on having Arch doing a lot of coverage anyway. I think he's supposed to be playing up in the box so that Taylor with his freak athleticism can do what he does best.

mooby · 07-06-2006, 04:07 PM

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Arch is not as bad in coverage as his rep would have you believe. He isn't great but he can do an average job. He brings some athleticism to the spot and an overall intelligence upgrade. I think he rounds out our secondary and gives us a little more versatility with Taylor. Taylor hits mean(and we love it) but his value is in down field coverage where he is more athletic than any safety in the league, 95% of the CBs and 85% of the WRs. He is a ball hawk who scares the hell out of WRs and most TEs. Arch can support the run almost as effectively(if not as spectacularly) and Taylor is clearly an upgrade in coverage than any saftey we have had in years(or ever really).

If healthy our secondary is the best in the league without doubt.

A pro bowl quality CB on oneside. A quality(maybe probowl if he continues to progress) CB on the other. An elite Strong Safety. A somewhat overrated safety who will asked to do what he does best. Our depth is weak but we can cross our fingers.

In that last paragraph, i think you mixed up strong safety and free safety. Taylor is a free safety, Archuleta is a strong safety.

GTripp0012 · 07-06-2006, 04:26 PM

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That's all he's good for.

He's so slow he has to horse collar people.

I wonder if they've ever considered moving him to LB. Seems like a better fit there for him.

There is no good place for a converted safety in the 3-4. Maybe after Parcells leaves and the team moves back to the 4-3, they will consider something like that.

FRPLG · 07-06-2006, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mooby

In that last paragraph, i think you mixed up strong safety and free safety. Taylor is a free safety, Archuleta is a strong safety.

Yeah I misspoke(typed??).

FRPLG · 07-06-2006, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

That's all he's good for.

He's so slow he has to horse collar people.

I wonder if they've ever considered moving him to LB. Seems like a better fit there for him.

I would seriously wonder if he could even be effective taking on blocks. He is a run and hit type and not a shed block and make play. If a guy like Arrington has problems shedding blocks to make a play someone smaller and less talented like Williams would be a pushover.

I think he'd be better at bagging groceries in Santana's neighborhood Safeway really.

firstdown · 07-06-2006, 04:39 PM

I would also disagree with him saying big Ben is overrated. He is what going into his third year as a player and has won over 95% of his games. He saved them in the playoffs after the bus fumbled the ball and for his age has managed the field very well. Oh, and he has won a SB as the youngest QB ever and that should be enough in itself.

FRPLG · 07-06-2006, 04:43 PM

Good job legitimizing this thread firstdown. Now it can't be called a homerfest.

number21isabadman · 07-06-2006, 09:22 PM

I also dont think that taylor should be in the under-rated column, his is going into his third year as a number 5 draft pick, recievers fear him and quaterbacks dodge him, but i'd say if he doesnt make the pro-bowl this year somethings up.

saden1 · 07-06-2006, 09:28 PM

Archuleta's coverage skills are pretty weak. Williams will mask his weaknesses as much as possible and have him play closer to the line. I'll guarantee one thing, you won't see him covering a #2 receiver let alone #1 WR solo.

ArtMonkDrillz · 07-06-2006, 09:40 PM

Hey guys, remember that time roy williams got burned twice by Santana and lost he game for the cowboys on nationat TV? That was pretty awesome.

Redskins8588 · 07-06-2006, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

I would also disagree with him saying big Ben is overrated. He is what going into his third year as a player and has won over 95% of his games. He saved them in the playoffs after the bus fumbled the ball and for his age has managed the field very well. Oh, and he has won a SB as the youngest QB ever and that should be enough in itself.

I do think that Ben is overrated. Look at the situation that he landed in when Pittsburgh drafted him. He went to a team that has a solid ground attack, a good o-line, good receivers and one of the best defenses in the league, not to mention very good special teams play. Hell, I would bet that Eli or Phillip Rivers could have put up simialar numbers to Bens had Pittsburgh drafted one of them. IMO, Ben landed in the best situation imaginable for any young QB....

Mattyk · 07-06-2006, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Redskins8588

I do think that Ben is overrated. Look at the situation that he landed in when Pittsburgh drafted him. He went to a team that has a solid ground attack, a good o-line, good receivers and one of the best defenses in the league, not to mention very good special teams play. Hell, I would bet that Eli or Phillip Rivers could have put up simialar numbers to Bens had Pittsburgh drafted one of them. IMO, Ben landed in the best situation imaginable for any young QB....

Sure he landed in an ideal situation. But he's contributed his part as well.

QBs get tons of hype, especially when they are winners. Ben is a winner, nobody can deny that. His hype is definitely overplayed, but at the same time he is a quality player who is still has plenty of room to grow.

SmootSmack · 07-06-2006, 11:11 PM

I understand what 8588 is saying though. Put Roethlisberger in Texas or Detroit and would he have done the same? Put David Carr in Pittsburgh, what happens?

Mattyk · 07-06-2006, 11:18 PM

Put Ben in Texas and they would still stink. Carr in Pitt? I highly doubt he would have enjoyed the same success.

In Pittsburgh I think they captured the perfect mix of a young, talented QB and a team well built to mask his weaknesses and exploit his strengths.

SmootSmack · 07-06-2006, 11:21 PM

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Put Ben in Texas and they would still stink. Carr in Pitt? I highly doubt he would have enjoyed the same success.

In Pittsburgh I think they captured the perfect mix of a young, talented QB and a team well built to mask his weaknesses and exploit his strengths.

I guess the best defense for BR is how badly Tommy Maddox stunk up the joint and all the Steelers losses when Roeth wasn't in there. It's sort of how it took Sean Taylor missing the Tampa game last season for a lot of people to appreciate his value.

07-06-2006, 04:07 PM	#16
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 31 Posts: 17,120	Re: If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article I also don't think we are planning on having Arch doing a lot of coverage anyway. I think he's supposed to be playing up in the box so that Taylor with his freak athleticism can do what he does best. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

07-06-2006, 04:39 PM	#21
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 49 Posts: 15,206	Re: If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article I would also disagree with him saying big Ben is overrated. He is what going into his third year as a player and has won over 95% of his games. He saved them in the playoffs after the bus fumbled the ball and for his age has managed the field very well. Oh, and he has won a SB as the youngest QB ever and that should be enough in itself.

07-06-2006, 04:43 PM	#22
FRPLG Franchise Player Join Date: May 2004 Age: 34 Posts: 9,232	Re: If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article Good job legitimizing this thread firstdown. Now it can't be called a homerfest.

07-06-2006, 09:22 PM	#23
number21isabadman Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oregon Age: 27 Posts: 157	Re: If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article I also dont think that taylor should be in the under-rated column, his is going into his third year as a number 5 draft pick, recievers fear him and quaterbacks dodge him, but i'd say if he doesnt make the pro-bowl this year somethings up.

07-06-2006, 09:28 PM	#24
saden1 Eternally Legendary Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 33 Posts: 9,738	Re: If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article Archuleta's coverage skills are pretty weak. Williams will mask his weaknesses as much as possible and have him play closer to the line. I'll guarantee one thing, you won't see him covering a #2 receiver let alone #1 WR solo. __________________ RG3, RGIII, RG三, RG३, RGγʹ, RGג, RG٣, RG๓, RG..., RG셋, RGԳ!

07-06-2006, 09:40 PM	#25
ArtMonkDrillz Franchise Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, MD Age: 30 Posts: 7,758	Re: If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article Hey guys, remember that time roy williams got burned twice by Santana and lost he game for the cowboys on nationat TV? That was pretty awesome. __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

07-06-2006, 11:11 PM	#28
SmootSmack The Bluths Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,105	Re: If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article I understand what 8588 is saying though. Put Roethlisberger in Texas or Detroit and would he have done the same? Put David Carr in Pittsburgh, what happens? __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

07-06-2006, 11:18 PM	#29
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,739	Re: If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article Put Ben in Texas and they would still stink. Carr in Pitt? I highly doubt he would have enjoyed the same success. In Pittsburgh I think they captured the perfect mix of a young, talented QB and a team well built to mask his weaknesses and exploit his strengths. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

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