If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article

hooskins · 07-08-2006, 05:58 PM

I think Big Ben is a bit overrated, he fell into a great system in which he did not have to throw many completions, and therefore less interceptions. But he did come up when he needed to. We will see if Ben is for real real next season as his pass attempts will increase significantly.

That Guy · 07-09-2006, 07:47 PM

why change to a pass happy offense if what you've got is still working? tommy maddox was total crap in the same system.

GTripp0012 · 07-10-2006, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

why change to a pass happy offense if what you've got is still working? tommy maddox was total crap in the same system.

They just dont have the personel to be run-first anymore. They will still run effectively, but only if Big Ben establishes the passing game first.

5RINGS · 07-10-2006, 12:14 PM

You know,

No way Roy makes it as a LB in the 3/4. Too Small. Roy has a good first step and good instincts and he is a Big time Hitter. He isn't an instinctive Coverage Strong Safety.

BUT...

If we look at the Roy Williams who had Darren Woodson playing FS and the Roy Williams who had Keith Davis playing FS I think there is a difference. Davis is a first time starter and Roy didn't have the luxury of a quality FS to work with.

I want to see how Mr Polamalu does this year without Chris Hope at FS.

ArtMonkDrillz · 07-10-2006, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 5RINGS

BUT...

If we look at the Roy Williams who had Darren Woodson playing FS and the Roy Williams who had Keith Davis playing FS I think there is a difference. Davis is a first time starter and Roy didn't have the luxury of a quality FS to work with.

I want to see how Mr Polamalu does this year without Chris Hope at FS.

You can make that kind of arguement about almost anyone in any team sport, because they are just that, team sports.

GTripp0012 · 07-10-2006, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 5RINGS

I want to see how Mr Polamalu does this year without Chris Hope at FS.

I would think that the loss of Hope is very different than the loss of Darren Woodson. Chris Hope went on the open market, and sat there for a month without even recieving a phone call. Ryan Clark was signed before then, so I have to assume that front offices in general feel that Clark is better.

Roy's game isn't in coverage, but in a divison like the East is this year, he becomes a liability. You may not be able to run on Dallas, but you can throw on them.

That Guy · 07-10-2006, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

They just dont have the personel to be run-first anymore. They will still run effectively, but only if Big Ben establishes the passing game first.

I disagree, but we'll see in 2006. Losing bettis but still having a good OL/FB/TE in place to block should be enough to continue running.

That Guy · 07-10-2006, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I would think that the loss of Hope is very different than the loss of Darren Woodson. Chris Hope went on the open market, and sat there for a month without even recieving a phone call. Ryan Clark was signed before then, so I have to assume that front offices in general feel that Clark is better.

I think that's a stretch. clark was way cheaper but still had starting experience. Chris hope was holding out for a much bigger offer than clark got, and he got a lot more money, so i'd argue that's a pretty clear indication of who FO's think i better. the steelers were just going cheap, again.

5RINGS · 07-10-2006, 01:41 PM

Hope did hold out for the large payday that Clark can only dream of.

What I am saying is that We'll see if Polamalu is going to able to freelance as much without a top knotch FS behind him. Hope allowed Troy to roam the box.

I know that Williams isn't Ed Reed in Coverage. But he does bring it in the box. He is a Big Play Safety who gambles in coverage.

TheMalcolmConnection · 07-10-2006, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 5RINGS

You know,

No way Roy makes it as a LB in the 3/4. Too Small. Roy has a good first step and good instincts and he is a Big time Hitter. He isn't an instinctive Coverage Strong Safety.

BUT...

If we look at the Roy Williams who had Darren Woodson playing FS and the Roy Williams who had Keith Davis playing FS I think there is a difference. Davis is a first time starter and Roy didn't have the luxury of a quality FS to work with.

I want to see how Mr Polamalu does this year without Chris Hope at FS.

I don't know your opinion on the whole Taylor vs. Williams argument, but with that reasoning, it would suggest that Taylor is far superior to Williams in that regard. Taylor has had nothing but below-average overachieving safeties surrounding him.

5RINGS · 07-10-2006, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I don't know your opinion on the whole Taylor vs. Williams argument, but with that reasoning, it would suggest that Taylor is far superior to Williams in that regard. Taylor has had nothing but below-average overachieving safeties surrounding him.

I didn't want to go there because I can't say a bad word about Taylor on the field.

Yes he is probably a better FS than Roy is a SS.

The U puts out quality on the field players no doubt.

Mind you if Roy goes into Free agancy and doesn't resign, pairing him with Taylor would be murder in the East.

Dallas might not sign him. He is looking for Ed Reed Money at least is what I have read.

The Skins have been known to give up a few extra dollars for player it felt was needed, and he is in a totally different class than archeuleta.

Could Happen.....

TheMalcolmConnection · 07-10-2006, 03:26 PM

I have to say, that response moved you up quite a few notches in my book for a Cowboy's fan. Most Cowboys fans pop the biggest boners for him and he has talent without a doubt, but he is far from the Jesus Christ of safety as many a Cowboy fan has anointed him.

Too bad we already signed our Roy Williams in Archuleta.

number21isabadman · 07-10-2006, 03:32 PM

i dont know about that one, i dont think i'd like the idea of roy williams in a redskins jersey getting burnt by like terry glenn or another cowboy reciever.

TheMalcolmConnection · 07-10-2006, 03:33 PM

Terry Glenn will be retired by the time that happens. All of the above being said, I'd rather have Roy over Archuleta coverage-wise. The beauty part of this all is the fact we aren't paying Archuleta to be a coverage safety. He's going to be the Roy Williams of our team. He's there for run stuffing and light coverage duty.

number21isabadman · 07-10-2006, 03:41 PM

well speaking of safetys, the next great safety to come from miami is named kenny phillips. Hits like sean talor and can cover like mike huff.

07-08-2006, 05:58 PM	#46
hooskins Most Interesting Man in the World Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chantilly, VA Age: 25 Posts: 8,557	Re: If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article I think Big Ben is a bit overrated, he fell into a great system in which he did not have to throw many completions, and therefore less interceptions. But he did come up when he needed to. We will see if Ben is for real real next season as his pass attempts will increase significantly. __________________ Vacancy

07-09-2006, 07:47 PM	#47
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 30 Posts: 15,624	Re: If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article why change to a pass happy offense if what you've got is still working? tommy maddox was total crap in the same system. __________________ Who says shameless self promotion is stupid? oh yeah, that was me... Click For Tunes!

07-10-2006, 12:14 PM	#49
5RINGS Closet Redskins Fan Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 495	Re: If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article You know, No way Roy makes it as a LB in the 3/4. Too Small. Roy has a good first step and good instincts and he is a Big time Hitter. He isn't an instinctive Coverage Strong Safety. BUT... If we look at the Roy Williams who had Darren Woodson playing FS and the Roy Williams who had Keith Davis playing FS I think there is a difference. Davis is a first time starter and Roy didn't have the luxury of a quality FS to work with. I want to see how Mr Polamalu does this year without Chris Hope at FS. __________________ I am a complete and unabashed Romosexual.

07-10-2006, 01:41 PM	#54
5RINGS Closet Redskins Fan Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 495	Re: If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article Hope did hold out for the large payday that Clark can only dream of. What I am saying is that We'll see if Polamalu is going to able to freelance as much without a top knotch FS behind him. Hope allowed Troy to roam the box. I know that Williams isn't Ed Reed in Coverage. But he does bring it in the box. He is a Big Play Safety who gambles in coverage. __________________ I am a complete and unabashed Romosexual.

07-10-2006, 03:26 PM	#57
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 31 Posts: 17,120	Re: If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article I have to say, that response moved you up quite a few notches in my book for a Cowboy's fan. Most Cowboys fans pop the biggest boners for him and he has talent without a doubt, but he is far from the Jesus Christ of safety as many a Cowboy fan has anointed him. Too bad we already signed our Roy Williams in Archuleta. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

07-10-2006, 03:32 PM	#58
number21isabadman Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oregon Age: 27 Posts: 157	Re: If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article i dont know about that one, i dont think i'd like the idea of roy williams in a redskins jersey getting burnt by like terry glenn or another cowboy reciever.

07-10-2006, 03:33 PM	#59
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 31 Posts: 17,120	Re: If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article Terry Glenn will be retired by the time that happens. All of the above being said, I'd rather have Roy over Archuleta coverage-wise. The beauty part of this all is the fact we aren't paying Archuleta to be a coverage safety. He's going to be the Roy Williams of our team. He's there for run stuffing and light coverage duty. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

07-10-2006, 03:41 PM	#60
number21isabadman Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oregon Age: 27 Posts: 157	Re: If you don't like Roy Williams you'll love this article well speaking of safetys, the next great safety to come from miami is named kenny phillips. Hits like sean talor and can cover like mike huff.

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