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Old 05-20-2004, 01:26 PM   #31
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I guess the irony is that Betts and Jacobs have seen their playing time and perhaps even their jobs threatened by a couple of later round draft "steals" in Rock and McCants
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Old 05-20-2004, 03:26 PM   #32
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I think Bauman is only a wasted pick because we just signed Harris and Brown. Ive always had highhopes for Bauman. I mean, he entered the league by having Darrel Green be his personal mentor. Then learned under champ and smoot. Whens hes been in hes made some big plays, and more importantly hes one of the few DBs on our team (other than Smoot and Bailey, im talking about the backups) that hasnt given up a ton of big plays. He was hurt last year which foreced Ade Jimoh and Todd Franz to step in, and noffense to their fans but they gave up plenty of yards and scores when they were in.
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Old 05-20-2004, 09:18 PM   #33
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I wouldn't count out Bauman. Brown's low signing bonus makes him cutable if he's outplayed, and Harris's contract has built-in provisions for him spending this season on IR. Bauman should see some PT - especially in Williams's scheme, which can employ up to 6 DB's.
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Old 05-20-2004, 11:15 PM   #34
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I think that Betts and Russell were both picked to satiate Spurrier, and not because they were the best players on the board at that point in time.

Dan Snyder has always tried to give his coaches the players they wanted, and this has not always been the smartest thing to do.

This has been one of my criticizms of Snyder - that in letting the coach dictate the flow of a draft, he is forgetting the fact that some people are paid to coach a team and some people are paid to create a team.

The most successful NFL franchises have clear delineations between the coach and general manager.

We still don't have that and it is a chronic problem that will ail us until Danny realizes he is not a professional general manager.

Whether getting Brunell for Gibbs is a smart idea remains to be seen, but I don't know that anyone would argue with Gibbs for the time being.
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Old 05-20-2004, 11:17 PM   #35
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That being said, Bauman can hit. I think he is going to be a great nickel back.

The verdict is still out on Betts - remember - it took Stephen Davis a few years before he emerged as a top flight back.

As for Russell, I really have trouble seeing him being on this team for much longer.
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Old 05-20-2004, 11:19 PM   #36
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I'd also like to mention that if Ramsey ends up starting, with Bauman as a nickelback and Betts is a solid contributor, that means that 3 out of the 4 picks are contributors - which isn't a bad ratio at all.

Now if we would just have a friggin' draft with more than 3 or 4 picks, I'd be happy.
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Old 05-20-2004, 11:56 PM   #37
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I have never been that upset over our drafting the last 5 year or so. Every team has a few mistakes and passed up on someone better. By far and away the bigger off season mistakes has come in free agency, over blown contracts for aging players, and COACHING/ FO staffing. After having such a strong FO and coach for so many years, the revolving door has hurt the Skins far more then a few draft picks.
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Old 05-21-2004, 04:09 PM   #38
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In 2002, the Skins drafted:

Ladell Betts: 2nd Round
Rashad Bauman: 3rd Round
Cliff Russell: 3rd Round

What are people's thoughts on these picks - In the 20/20 of hindsight:

Were they good picks?

Will any pan out as being worth the cost?

Do you think they are just wasted picks?

I think the consensus is that Russell is a washout.

I don't know about Bauman - will he ever be more than a competent to good nickel back? Is he even that? If so, why load up on DB's of questionable quality? Not referring to Springs as one of the questionable CB's, but by getting Springs are the Skins acknowledging that Bauman can't be a starter?

As for Betts, obviously, he is no more than 2nd string right now - but say Portis gets injured, was Betts worth the 2nd rounder? Does he have the talent to step in and be a starting quality back? If given the opportunity, could he be a 1,200 yard back?

I look back at these picks and think "What a waste of high picks". Just wondering if anyone disagrees or thinks I am being to hasty.

the reason why we bulked up on db's if you didnt already notice... is because williams being our d-head coach. he will use alot of six db formations and he would like allot of some what talent on the field. walt and ralph along with bauman will be fighting for that nickel spot. and i think believe it or not, ralph brown may win it. i havent seen anyone talk about him on this site, but this guy did a pretty darn good job with the giants a year ago. but walt seems to be the front runner but he is getting old and injuries are starting to be a concern
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Old 05-21-2004, 04:27 PM   #39
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Whenever I watched Brown he was getting beat. He did OK as a nickel back but when he was forced into a starting role I dont think he was up to the challenge. Hopefully no on will get hurt and he'll just be a talented dime back.
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....I personally didn't wan't to draft him (Taylor Jacobs) as well, for the same reason's you presented, and I also wanted Doss, but Doss isn't a world beater, but he will probably be better than what we had last year, You also have to take into account that not taking Doss really opened the door for us to take taylor, who will be an absolute monster for us....
Respectfully submitted on this day 5/20/04 By Douglas C. Niedermier sergent of arm's.
We could have Doss and Sean Taylor both. We could have been set at the safety position for many years. Plus Doss is making less than what we are paying Matt Bowen. We would have saved money on the Salary cap as well as upgrading the safety position.
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Old 05-21-2004, 05:15 PM   #41
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Doss sucked last year, im glad we didnt draft him. He wont ever be an elite safety. Atleast Jacobs has the potential to be great, we havent had a chance to see him because of a freak injury. I wouldnt have been surprised if Jacobs took Gardners spot last year had he not been injured.
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Old 05-21-2004, 05:54 PM   #42
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Would anyone take Doss over Taylor??
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Old 05-21-2004, 06:02 PM   #43
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Doss sucked last year, im glad we didnt draft him. He wont ever be an elite safety. Atleast Jacobs has the potential to be great, we havent had a chance to see him because of a freak injury. I wouldnt have been surprised if Jacobs took Gardners spot last year had he not been injured.
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Your just bitter because Doss layed the big hit that busted Willis McGahee's knee in the Fiesta Bowl a couple of years ago. That hit set the tone for the defensive ass-kicking OSU put on your Canes. McGahee is still feeling that hit and it sound like... so are you. No hard feelings.
Doss had nine tackles and one interception in Fiesta Bowl win over Miami. He was named Big Ten Defensive Player-of-the-Year…was semi-finalist for Jim Thorpe, given to nation’s top DB.
He was a rookie last year and started on the AFC runner up. If he sucks, Bowen must give BJ's for beer money. Bowen was a career back up until last year. Doss was a rookie last year. Lets see what happens.
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Old 05-21-2004, 06:04 PM   #44
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Doss over Taylor, stright up, absolutley not. If maybe we got him instead of Jacobs last year and drafted someone else with the #5 this year, I wouldnt have been opposed to that. I love Sean Taylor though, and thats who we have so its a moo point.
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Old 05-21-2004, 08:55 PM   #45
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Doss is a great player, but I think Taylor Jacobs could far surpass Coles when it comes to raw talent. I thought Jacobs was a good pick and continue to think that. I'd take Jacobs/Taylor over Doss/Williams any day. I like both combos, but give me our current one, please!
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