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View Poll Results: Overrated Redskins
LaVar Arrington 8 28.57%
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Old 05-20-2004, 11:59 AM   #16
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How about coaches???


Over rated coaches- -
- Mike Martz
- Dennis Green
- Tom Coughlin
- Brian Billick
- Mike Holmgren

Under rated coaches
- John Fox
- Herman Edwards
- Marvin Lewis
- Tony Dungy

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Old 05-20-2004, 12:17 PM   #17
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Underrated:
QB Tom Brady
Despite winning 2 of the last 3 SB's, he still will not be listed as one of the best current QB's, because he does have a cannon arm and is not 6'-5" and 240 pounds.

Carolina Panthers-despite making it to SB, they wil be over looked by most prognosticators.

OVER-RATED:
Indy Colts and KC Chiefs - The press, experts and fantasy footballers love offense and these two teams have great offenses. But their defenses are not very good. In the Colts case, they will actually be worse this year with the FA defections to their defense and not very good replacements.
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Old 05-20-2004, 12:26 PM   #18
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How about coaches???


Over rated coaches- -
- Mike Martz
- Dennis Green
- Tom Coughlin
- Brian Billick
- Mike Holmgren

Under rated coaches
- John Fox
- Herman Edwards
- Marvin Lewis
- Tony Dungy

Your thoughts?????
I'd knock Coughlin and Green off of the overrated list (anyone who went jobless for a year can't be rated that high), and add Mike Shanahan. With Elway and T. Davis dominating the league, any coach would be hailed a genius. The trick is maintaining it after they leave. He has had statistically good offenses, and has been unable to match his wins.
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Old 05-20-2004, 12:29 PM   #19
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Underrated coach: Jack Del Rio

Overrated coach: Dennis Erickson, I suppose everybody deserves a second chance but I'm not sure how he got it...now I'll sit back and wait for SkinsnCanes to explain to me why Erickson is great because he coached Canes
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Old 05-20-2004, 02:25 PM   #20
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The most over rated player in the league is Mike Vick by far. You would think he had a hand full of Super Bowl rings for all the hype he gets.

Runner up is Shockey, but he plays in NY and they overrate all their players.
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Old 05-20-2004, 03:16 PM   #21
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Lavar Arrington is Overrated! So is Shockey.
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Old 05-20-2004, 03:18 PM   #22
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Underrated coach: Jack Del Rio

Overrated coach: Dennis Erickson, I suppose everybody deserves a second chance but I'm not sure how he got it...now I'll sit back and wait for SkinsnCanes to explain to me why Erickson is great because he coached Canes
eh, whatever. Im not going to fight you on this one. Im to young to know much about his college coaching days, and I dont really remember him doing to much in the NFL either. Im going to go out on a limb and say that Butch Davis was overrated as an NFL coach. He was amazing in college, and ten times the coach that Larry Coker is. Miamis players would have much better stats and we probably wouldnt have lost yet if Davis was still the coach. Larry didnt have to do much to keep winning with the plyaers he had. But I thought Davis would have done better in the NFL. Like Jimmy Johnson stepped in and used his knowledge of college players to build a team for a few years then really step it up. Im impressed though that the Browns are stickign with him and letting him build a team. You dont see that to much in teh league anymore.

I think that Tomblinson isnt overrated or underrated, hes at minimum top three running backs in the league, if not first. The guy had 1800 yards rushing and 100 receptions.

I think Deuce Staley has always been overrated. All he was ever good for was a screen pass. And for the time being im going to say that as a whole package Eli Manning was overrated as well. Im also going to hope that the broncos oline is overreates and that what is comes down to is that Portis is a beast and whatever back they have this year fails misserably.

I think that Santana Moss has always been underrated, and when they finally gave him a chance he ripped it up. Hes short but can jump over anyone in the league, and can out run bascially everyone to. Hes going to be a baller next year. I also think that the Bucs defense is underrated for next year. They lost the heart and sole of that D but got Ian Gold and some others to step in. I think under Kiffin those young guys are goign to step it up.
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Old 05-20-2004, 04:39 PM   #23
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Overrated: LaVar
Underrated: Chad Pennington, David Carr
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Old 05-20-2004, 05:32 PM   #24
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Underrated:
QB Tom Brady
Despite winning 2 of the last 3 SB's, he still will not be listed as one of the best current QB's, because he does have a cannon arm and is not 6'-5" and 240 pounds.
I have to disagree with you on this one. All Tom Brady did when he won those Super Bowls was what Trent Dilfer did when the Ravens won there super bowl. They both rode there Defense to victories and did not make stupid mistakes on offense.

Does that mean that Trent Dilfer is underrated also?
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Old 05-20-2004, 05:57 PM   #25
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Brady did a bit more than just ride the Pats D, I don't see the Dilfer comparison with him at all.
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Old 05-20-2004, 06:48 PM   #26
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IMO Brady is an average QB on a team with a good D. As far as him doing more than just riding the Pats D, I don't see it. He is a QB that does not improvise and seldom tries to make something out of nothing on some plays, IMO until he takes risks and tries to be a play maker then he will be bumped up to the next level.

That is what seperates the great QB's from the average QB, being able to take a shot and be confident enough in your own abilities to believe that you can make or take that long shot everytime.
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Old 05-20-2004, 07:17 PM   #27
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That is what seperates the great QB's from the average QB, being able to take a shot and be confident enough in your own abilities to believe that you can make or take that long shot everytime.
Is it just me or does anyone else think this describes Jeff George?

I don't think you can categorize Tom Brady as overrated. True, Vinatieri got those field goals but it was Brady who led the drives to get them in that position
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Old 05-20-2004, 07:50 PM   #28
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Jeff George is a bum, that was the worst move the redskins ever made!!! Jeff George is the only QB that spells TEAM with an I!!! I should have added that the great QB will also care about the team first. Jeff George is probably the only exception.

Tom Brady did indeed lead the drives to allow Vinatieri to make the field goals, but when Vinatieri went on the field to both times all the presure, the season, and even maybe his career were on the line with those GAME WINNING kicks.

Look at what happened to Steve Cristie(sp) when he missed the field goal that would have let the Bills beat the Giants in the super bowl, he went down hill after that, even though it was Jim Kelly, now in the hall of fame, that led the drive to allow him to attempt that kick. The Bills whole season came down to how good there kicker was, and not who led the drive.

QUESTION: With out Vinatieri do the Pats still win the Super Bowl both or even 1 time?
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Old 05-20-2004, 08:14 PM   #29
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You mean Scott Norwood 8588, but I think I see your point. You're saying that what Brady did in the Super Bowl ultimately wasn't as important as Vinatieri stepping in under all that pressure and winning the game with the field goals. And if he doesn't make those then Brady is just another QB who wasn't able to win the big game for his team. Am I more or less right? I don't want to put words in your mouth

I should add that while I don't think Brady is overrated when he starts getting compared to Joe Montana that is taking it a bit too far this early in his career.
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Old 05-20-2004, 08:22 PM   #30
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We played Tom Brady last season, and if you guys remember his arm was so bruised and messed up that he had that protective sleeve on his throwing arm. He played through a lot of pain and went 25-38 for 289 against us, in the preseason he picked us apart. Tom Brady doesnt have great receivers in my opinon, Troy Brown is getting old but is still a solid receiver. I dont think they had a great running game with Antoine Smith who wasnt very consistent. I have to say that Tom Brady led that team. If everyone thinks hes not that good why didnt Bledsoe win a couple superbowls with the Patriots, hes got the strong arm? Brady is a leader and has done a solid job in NE. Youd think he would have more credit after getting a second super bowl... They team is even better this year in my opinion, doesnt mean they will win the super bowl but they will be in the hunt with Brady and the healm.
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