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View Poll Results: Overrated Redskins
LaVar Arrington 8 28.57%
Chris Samuels 13 46.43%
Other (explain) 8 28.57%
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Old 05-21-2004, 04:40 PM   #46
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I give alot of credit to Vinatieri, he's definitely a clutch kicker, but I just have a hard time giving more credit for two championship seasons to a kicker over a QB.
Why? Only because he is a kicker?
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Old 05-21-2004, 04:45 PM   #47
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The kicking game can win you games, but it cant put you in position to win games. The Patriots didnt rely on Vinateri to win all their games, he came up big a few times but 9/10 it was Brady putting the game away with touchdowns. You win the close ones with those last minute field goals, but you need the QB to get you into range.
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Old 05-21-2004, 04:48 PM   #48
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I have to disagree with you on this one. All Tom Brady did when he won those Super Bowls was what Trent Dilfer did when the Ravens won there super bowl. They both rode there Defense to victories and did not make stupid mistakes on offense.

Does that mean that Trent Dilfer is underrated also?
Did you watch either of the two Superbowls the Pats won?
In this last one Tom Brady was named Super Bowl MVP after throwing for 354 yards and three touchdowns. I guess you think the defense threw those passes? Great quarterbacks give their best performances in the biggest games, and that was exactly what Brady did. Twice. In Super Bowl XXXVI, he marched the Patriots to the winning points against the St. Louis Rams. In Super Bowl XXXVIII, he marched the Patriots to the winning points against the Carolina Panthers. Both times with just seconds left on the clock and he saved the DEFENSE after the defense gave up the lead really late in both games.
Brady's numbers alone in Superbowl XXXVIII : 32 completions in 48 attempts for 354 yards and three touchdowns. The 32 completions broke a Super Bowl record.

I think you are also unaware that in 2001, Brady took over for a terrible performing and injured QB Drew Bledsoe and the Pats were 1-3. His play is credited for turning the team around and they went 13-2 the rest of the year and won the Super Bowl. I should know, I lived in Boston from 2000-2004. The defense did not start playing well untill late in the 2001 season. By then Brady had already turned the team around.
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Old 05-21-2004, 05:08 PM   #49
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Also if you remember correctly Bledsoe did come in and do what he had to do against the Steelers in Pittsburgh to put the Pats in the super bowl that year, and the media had a field day trying to start a QB controversy right before the super bowl.
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Old 05-21-2004, 05:12 PM   #50
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Also if you remember correctly Bledsoe did come in and do what he had to do against the Steelers in Pittsburgh to put the Pats in the super bowl that year, and the media had a field day trying to start a QB controversy right before the super bowl.

Yeah, but what has Bledsoe done since? The Bills have drafted a replacement and asked Bledsoe to take a pay cut or get cut. It is little reported but, Pro Bowl Offensive Guard Rueben Brown was suspeneded and traded because he got into a huge fight with our new Defensive coach Williams over Bledsoe. Williams wanted Bledsoe to get benched. Which is what all of Buffalo wanted. Williams stuck by Bledsoe and failed. He got fired.
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Old 05-21-2004, 05:24 PM   #51
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Well thats good for Bledsoe, I really do not think that he is overrated nor do I think that he is underrated.

Even, in some magical world, it was Bledsoe that led the Pats to the game winning field goal in the super bowls, I would still feel that the MVP should have ben the guy that got them the victory with one chance left in the game, who came in under all that pressure and has to perform only on 1 play.
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Old 05-21-2004, 05:28 PM   #52
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This is going to make a lot of people mad but I think the most overrated Redskin is Fred Smoot. With Fred there always seems to be a lot of excuses, such as he gets the ball thrown his way more because peopel dont throw against Bailey. Well the fact is that he has had the ball thrown his way more, and he goes for the pick more than he goes for the smart play and gets burnt a lot. Im not doubting his ability to be a leader, hes definitly the voice of our defense right now. But in terms of his skills I think there are more reasons why he hasnt been great instaed of proff why he is. If we didnt get springs and if Smoot was playing the starting wide out I think we'd get burnt everyweek.
Smoot overrrated!! Well it's nice been having you here but you're banned! LOL. J/K

I understand what you're saying about Smoot. But I think if given the opportunity to go up against the top receiver each week he's matured these last three years where he could more than hold his own
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Old 05-21-2004, 05:38 PM   #53
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Well thats good for Bledsoe, I really do not think that he is overrated nor do I think that he is underrated.

Even, in some magical world, it was Bledsoe that led the Pats to the game winning field goal in the super bowls, I would still feel that the MVP should have ben the guy that got them the victory with one chance left in the game, who came in under all that pressure and has to perform only on 1 play.
Bledsoe had his chance in a super bowl and lost big. Great QB's like Brady win the big game, twice. Bledsoe got crushed. Time will tell if Brady deserves to be included in the great QB list.
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Old 05-21-2004, 05:53 PM   #54
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You are right Bledsoe did loose big, but I am not comparing Bledsoe to Brady or Brady to Bledsoe.
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Well thats good for Bledsoe, I really do not think that he is overrated nor do I think that he is underrated.

Even, in some magical world, it was Bledsoe that led the Pats to the game winning field goal in the super bowls, I would still feel that the MVP should have ben the guy that got them the victory with one chance left in the game, who came in under all that pressure and has to perform only on 1 play.
I look at it as any game doesn't really come down to just one play. There is always a series of plays that lead up to that one play. There would be no game winning FG attempt if not for other circumstances that lead up to that moment.

Just because it's the last play doesn't mean it was the most important.
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It kinda does mean it to be the most important play if you are trying to win the most important game of your career.
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I picked LaVar for one simple reason. He would be an above average linebacker without his personallity. He wouldn't have near the recognition if it weren't for his antics. He's a good player, but it's a stretch to call him great. Let him play under Williams for a few years and I think he'll evolve into an amazing player.
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Daseal you bring up a good point, which is that LaVar has played under so many different coaches and systems. He could shine if given some consistency
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Smoot overrrated!! Well it's nice been having you here but you're banned! LOL. J/K

I understand what you're saying about Smoot. But I think if given the opportunity to go up against the top receiver each week he's matured these last three years where he could more than hold his own

haha, I was starting to wonder if that comment got lost in the Brady shuffle and no one would notice. I hope Smoot does mature a lot this year, hes had two of the best mentors in the league, one of which is one of the best of all time. I think Smoots skils have never been the problem, just mentally making the smart choice instead of the high risk/big payoff choice. Hes still young and hopefully has a lot of upside still left in him.
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Overrated Players

Donovan McNabb - his success is the product of great coaching. He always chokes in the big game. He is a playmaker, but only when nothing is on the line. They show replays of him doing great things when nothing is on the line. When he fails, it's the WRs fault, not his. It's the weather or fate or the fans or the staduim, never McNabb. This season we could say that with TO they can't blame the WRs anymore, but now that the defense is no longer star studded, they'll blame them, but never McNabb.

Overrated Coaches

Mike Martz - How in the heck, with all that talent, can they have not won another superbowl? Who in their right mind doesn't give Marshall Faulk the ball 20+ times EVERY GAME!?!?!? While McNabb is a product of great coaching, Martz is the product of great players. Horrible playcaller.

Phil Jackson - Look, all things considered, I could coach Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen to 6 championships. I could coach Kobe and Shaq to another half dozen too. He may well be a good coach, but we'll never know. Give him a team without the uber-athletes and then lets see what he can do.

Overrated Referees

Ed Hochuli - His arms are the size of my waist and he looks more like a LB than a ref. But you need to know the back story. He's a lawyer and a father of 5 along with being the president of the NFL Referees Association. What does that have to do with anything? It's all part of a smoke and mirrors intemidation plot. Who wants to challenge a union leading, lawyer that has five predeccesors AND is built like a tank? Smoke and mirrors... smoke and mirrors.

Overrated Boobie

Janet Jacksons left boobie - okay so we've all seen it and printed it and put a copy in our wallet in front of our insurance card but behind our wives picture... but if you look closely and examine thoroughly (which I do occasionally) it's a little droppy. Granted she's 38 (looking good for her age) but if you're gonna put it on international tv for the whole world to see, get to a doctor and firm those puppies up a little. I'm sure Michael could recommend a good one. Come to think of it, don't use Michaels surgeons. I would not call the surgeries he's had 'successful.'

Overrated Redskin

I'll probably be banned from these boards for saying this, but Sean Taylor has to be one of the most overrated, unproven players I've seen since Ryan Leaf. I really, really hope he does well, but from the talk you would think he's the messiah of all that is football. Let me see him play a few games in regular season, then we can talk. If he does pan out as people are saying and hoping, I'll be attending the 1st church of Taylorism myself, but for now, i'll stay penticostal.
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