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Old 07-18-2006, 11:54 AM   #16
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Re: Patten thrust back into veteran leaderís role

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Good morning to you. And just to stir up the pot a little bit, do you think that if Taylor Jacobs had Tom Brady throwing him the ball, he'd have been better?
Hardly better at all. He never would have seen the field for a Bill Belichick team because he's a major pussy. And I'm saying that with all seriousness. If Belichick heard Jacobs say something like "They have DBs that run a 4.3, what do you want me to do?" he'd be on the bench so fast he wouldn't know what hit him.

Jacobs doesn't have what it takes. He's completely soft.
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Old 07-18-2006, 11:55 AM   #17
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or maybe if jacobs didnt have p ramsey throwing him the ball he would have been to the pro bowl a couple of times
Way to stir the pot Dmek. And might I add, good morning (at least for a few more minutes).
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Old 07-18-2006, 11:57 AM   #18
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PS, I used the terem "stir the pot" before I read that TMC had already used it. I'm not into copying like that, it just happens.
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Old 07-18-2006, 12:00 PM   #19
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Good morning to you. And just to stir up the pot a little bit, do you think that if Taylor Jacobs had Tom Brady throwing him the ball, he'd have been better?
Yes he probably would have had a few more catches but the question would it have been that many more? In three seasons o5 11 recp. 100 yards 04 16recp. 178 yards and in 03 3 recp. 37 yards. I would think just by being on the field you could catch that many passes and how many where screen type passes that are almost 100%. If it comes down to Patten or Taylor I would take the experence and the one if he stays healthy could get 30 to 40 recp. for 500 yards. Taylor has just not shown that he can or will catch that many balls.
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Old 07-18-2006, 12:37 PM   #20
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I would like to know what happens in pre-season if somehow Patten slightly outplays either LLoyd or Randel'el? Does he start as told by Gibbs in which case we will have some very unhappy newcomers, or is he slighted by Gibbs and dropped to #4 or 5? Because you can rest assured Patten believes he is going to beat these guys out, that is why he asked Gibbs where he stands as far as his committment at the WR position and does the best player play, something tells me Patten isn't going to be happy with the results regardless. Pattens displeasure might be his ticket out. I just don't see him at his age being happy as a 4th WR, he could have stayed in NE if he was happy with that.
This is a very interesting question. I'd have to believe that he would start Patten. But then again, it would be an easy decision if he vastly outplayed Lloyd and Randle El. If it's close, I have to believe the young guys with the cash will be playing. In general, money talks in the NFL.
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Old 07-18-2006, 12:46 PM   #21
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Matty if you really want to compare thier career's fairly, then start at the beginning, Patten wasen't alway's catching TD's from Brady, he originally floundered with the Giants and was eventually cut before he found success in New England. So we can ask what happened to Patten between the Giants and New England? Did he become faster? I doubt it, so what made him a productive reciever on an elite team, compared to a lowsey reciever on a mediocre team? As I stated earlier as well as in the past systems more often than not are responsible for players success, and we have yet to have any kind of legitamate offense in the past 3 years, theres no way to judge TJ until now, is he going to be injury prone the rest of his career? Or has his injuries thus far just been bad luck? You could very well be right and this guy will never be healthy enough to be worth the effort, but I do believe he needs an opportunity under Saunders who seems to be able to utilize all the talent and then some that a WR may have, yes I do agree this is a show or go year, but considering the time we have put into TJ it would be foolish to dump him now before we have a chance to see how he produces for a coach like Saunders. There has to be something special about him if players like Portis are saying he's the best player in the NFL to never have seen the field, I am not a big champ fan but it has to mean something when he said Jacobs may be the toughest WR in the NFC for him to cover.
Last year our offense was top half. So with all the playing time Jacobs got, he should have shown something. I'm all for keeping the guy on the 53 man roster as the 5th WR (ahead of Thrash who also makes the team), but even if he makes it, I have a hard time seeing a situation where he is activated exception to injury. Thrash would be active every week on special teams, and the other 4 on offense. Taylor Jacobs just isn't one of the 46 most valuable players on this team, pure and simple.
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Old 07-18-2006, 02:06 PM   #22
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Since Patten was hand picked by this staff, why wouldn't he get to play if he earned a spot?

If he totally outplays Lloyd or Randle El, I have no doubts he will play. But I also doubt he will outplay them.
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Old 07-18-2006, 06:33 PM   #23
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can't PS a guy after his 2nd year.
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Old 07-18-2006, 07:05 PM   #24
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The key word there is TOTALLY, and I agree I don't think that will happen either, but what if it's marginal? Technically he outplayed them but still gets the 4th WR slot, can he live with that? I do not believe so, it's one of the reasons he signed with us last year to get out of the shadow of the rest of NE WR's. Don't forget although things seem fine now Patten did start to fall out of favor with his complaining last season, that may or may not have significance this pre-season, regardless if he wasen't happy about how he was used last season he will have a real problem this year.

we wont know for sure till pre-season starts cranking but it's alway's fun to speculate.
Lloyd and Randle El were brought in to play. I think Patten would be fooling himself if he thought anything different. From that sounds of that recent article, he's already accepted his role with the team, whatever it may end up being.

If he's marginally better, he doesn't bump anybody out of a starting job. He'll have to make heads turn to bump somebody.

If we run more 3 WR sets this year like it seems we will, the #4 is bound to see plenty of snaps anyway rotating in to keep guys fresh. It's not going to be like last year when we ran 2 WRs most of the time.

Like you said we'll see how it goes.
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Old 07-19-2006, 01:22 PM   #25
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If TJ really had anything to show, last year would have been the perfect opportunity to do so. When you can't produce on a team that is desparate for a WR, I have to wonder what you can really bring to the table. For me, TJ is like Peter Warrick without the talent. So much hype/talk about how great he is, but he hasn't shown it in three years. Sorry, but I'm done waiting for him to finally become a capable NFL receiver.

As for Patten. I think Gibbs has shown that he is always willing to play whoever is best suited to get the job done. If Patten outperforms Lloyd and/or ARE, he'll get the start. If his ability is on par with those other guys, Gibbs/Saunders will play him when the situation dictates that Patten is the better man for the job. Each WR brings a different dimension or specialty to the field. Maybe Lloyd will be better at making the circus catch, while Patten will be a better route runner. Some game situations will call for one, and other game situations will call for another. I think there are going to be plenty of balls to spread around this year.
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