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Old 08-16-2006, 07:08 PM   #1
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Has Bugel lost it?

I don't know what you guys think but I'm seriously concerned that Bugel has had 3 offseasons now to find and develop some decent young offensive line guys and appears to have failed miserably.

I keep hearing that everybody is happy with the back-ups but I've yet to see anything on the field to suggest that anybody can step in without a significant drop-off in performance.

Am I being too hasty?
Am I putting too much blame on Bugel?

I know good offensive linemen don't grow on trees but I hoped for better than what we seem to have at the moment.
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Old 08-16-2006, 07:13 PM   #2
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Re: Has Bugel lost it?

Are you not happy with the development of Dockery, and the re-emergence of Samuels? Bugel has something to do with that.
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Old 08-16-2006, 07:19 PM   #3
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Re: Has Bugel lost it?

It is blaphemous to down talk Bugel but everyone ought to be evaluated. I dont even know how to evaluate GWilliams half the time. Bugel is credited and loved by me. I think over the years the well became dry and the need to uprgrade other immediate areas was the focus. Draft management was a trade off to getting guys in here behind any role position. Obviously I think OL/CB should be drafted hard next year. On the O-Line backups are needed for sure even beyond this season as some guys are aging. I would think with the team assembled that would be luring enough but good lines are hard to find.

Yes, Dockery is a product of that, Ray Brown retiring was big, Raymer's inability hurt us. Seems we only took a step backwards was starting over with younger inexperienced guys. Alot seemed to do with lack of FA options this year.
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Old 08-16-2006, 07:21 PM   #4
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Re: Has Bugel lost it?

I was actually wondering about Bugel this morning. I recall reading that Dockery had lost something like 25 pounds, making him more fleet footed for Saunders' offense. But that doesn't really jibe with Bugel's Hogs mentality does it?

I don't think he's lost it, I'm just wondering how "influential" he still is. I imagine he is to an extent because he's like Gibbs' confidant.
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Old 08-16-2006, 07:37 PM   #5
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Re: Has Bugel lost it?

Let's see...

We had a franchise record for a RB last year, much of which is on the offensive line.

We had a QB who has had health concerns for the past few years stay upright most of the season, thanks to his offensive line.

I'm OK with Buges.
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Old 08-16-2006, 07:59 PM   #6
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Re: Has Bugel lost it?

Buges has raved about Dockery ("He's something special"), Molinaro, and Wilson. The latter two are finished, and Dockery has not been stellar.

The man certainly knows his football, (and will perform fellatio on Gibbs, if asked to) - he is light years better than Kim Helton, but, I personally have been less than impressed.

If I had to grade position coaches on our staff (based on seniority), he would get a lower grade than Greg Blache who is his equivalent on the staff.
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Old 08-16-2006, 08:05 PM   #7
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Different time now. Gibbs and Co. used to stash starter level players on IR and in backup roles because they could. Nowadays it is difficult to keep good players as backups and you are seeing the product. You seem amazed that when a first stringer goes down that there is a dropoff in the level of play with the next player. I would think that it would be obvious that the backups aren't as good.
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Old 08-16-2006, 08:08 PM   #8
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Re: Has Bugel lost it?

Our starting o-line is a top 5 o-line. A few short years ago our o-line was beyond horrible. It is a amazing what the coaches have done and they don't get enough credit. Our team has been changing for the better every year. From gibbs' first draft with 2 amazing players, sean and cooley, to picking santana and getting rid of WRs who have done nothing since leaving here. Last year we were complaining about how we didn't "have a true number 1 WR". Now we are among the top 7 in WR groups.

Bugel has made all of the players play to their potential. Samuels and thomas played at pro bowl levels last year. Dockery has taken huge strides and I am sure jansen will get better but the year he was injured may have hurt his development with bugel. As for dockery losing pounds and this not being like the old hogs, i can't speak of the hogs because i never saw them in action. However, Bugel is allowing his guys to fit this new offense and that is great. He can break from what he knows to hope for something better. Gibbs gave up play calling duties only after changing his offense the second year and putting in the shotgun and changing blocking schemes. Gibbs knows that change isn't something bad. These coaches are great because they don't have big egos that don't allow for change.
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Old 08-16-2006, 08:22 PM   #9
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What do you know? You're only 18.
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Old 08-16-2006, 08:24 PM   #10
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Our starting o-line is a top 5 o-line. A few short years ago our o-line was beyond horrible. It is a amazing what the coaches have done and they don't get enough credit. Our team has been changing for the better every year. From gibbs' first draft with 2 amazing players, sean and cooley, to picking santana and getting rid of WRs who have done nothing since leaving here. Last year we were complaining about how we didn't "have a true number 1 WR". Now we are among the top 7 in WR groups.

Bugel has made all of the players play to their potential. Samuels and thomas played at pro bowl levels last year. Dockery has taken huge strides and I am sure jansen will get better but the year he was injured may have hurt his development with bugel. As for dockery losing pounds and this not being like the old hogs, i can't speak of the hogs because i never saw them in action. However, Bugel is allowing his guys to fit this new offense and that is great. He can break from what he knows to hope for something better. Gibbs gave up play calling duties only after changing his offense the second year and putting in the shotgun and changing blocking schemes. Gibbs knows that change isn't something bad. These coaches are great because they don't have big egos that don't allow for change.
You are wise in your youth. Be sure you learn about the hogs and dont lose that. That is wild how this time last year WR was so vital and look at it now, same with the O-Line the sacks/penalties but now they are better and with Jansen having opposable thumbs this year who knows how great things will happen.
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meast i'm liking the name.
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What do you know? You're only 18.

Hey Meast... Dynamite first post but thats not how we operate guy.
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Hey Meast... Dynamite first post but thats not how we operate guy.
thanks for the defense but i think he was joking seeing he is 19. But maybe not. Maybe he went after the BSB. Oh no.
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You are wise in your youth. Be sure you learn about the hogs and dont lose that. That is wild how this time last year WR was so vital and look at it now, same with the O-Line the sacks/penalties but now they are better and with Jansen having opposable thumbs this year who knows how great things will happen.
Thanks. I will definately try and see more stuff about the hogs. I still do wish i could remember one superbowl. I was like 3 in 91 season. I do see a great year from jansen though. Our O-line is getting better and better. People have to remember raymer. That thing was the worst center in the league. Now we get rabach and a year together and jansen with a year under bugez too. Thomas, Samuels, and Dockery all looked better their second year playing for bugel and i think jansen and rabach will too. Now lets pray for no injuries.
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