Needs for improvement

freddyg12 · 09-12-2006, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by hurrykaine

I agree about our secondary - sure TD and 3rd down catches dropped by Williamson or this game wouldn't even have been close.

Without a healthy Springs, there is no hope. With Springs, hope springs eternal for us. Damn, I should've been a writer.

The only way we beat Dallas is if we manhandle their O-line and get to the QB. Since nothing I saw from our D-line yesterday leads me to believe we can do that, I'm going to predict that TO and Terri "she" Glenn will burn us.

on a positive note, dallas' o-line got beat a lot sunday. Paul Spicer ran around Flozell A a few times. Look for Carter to get to Bledsoe

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 09-12-2006, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by freddyg12

on a positive note, dallas' o-line got beat a lot sunday. Paul Spicer ran around Flozell A a few times. Look for Carter to get to Bledsoe

Yeah, I saw that Flozell did not look all that good.

Longtimefan · 09-12-2006, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by freddyg12

on a positive note, dallas' o-line got beat a lot sunday. Paul Spicer ran around Flozell A a few times. Look for Carter to get to Bledsoe

I'm going to continue to hold out hope for Andre but the last time I heard his name called was at his introductory news conference. Maybe you know something, or have seen something I haven't.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 09-12-2006, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Longtimefan

I'm going to continue to hold out hope for Andre but the last time I heard his name called was at his introductory news conference. Maybe you know something, or have seen something I haven't.

There's been one game. I didn't expect him to post at least one sack per game and I saw him drawing some double-teams last night.

Beemnseven · 09-12-2006, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

If you expected the defense to "carry us," then they were certainly a disappointment and there is room for big improvement. If you expected them to do a decent job, they met what was expected of them.

I'm sorry, I just don't know how anyone could characterize the defense's performance as "decent".

Yeah, Minnesota's stats didn't knock anybody's socks off, but the 86 yards rushing, combined with precision passing at all the crucial times was enough to win the game.

Holding Cincinnati, Indianapolis, or any other high powered offense to 19 points might be 'decent'. But not at home against the Vikings, and especially not when you're offense scored less.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 09-12-2006, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I'm sorry, I just don't know how anyone could characterize the defense's performance as "decent".

Yeah, Minnesota's stats didn't knock anybody's socks off, but the 86 yards rushing, combined with precision passing at all the crucial times was enough to win the game.

Holding Cincinnati, Indianapolis, or any other high powered offense to 19 points might be 'decent'. But not at home against the Vikings, and especially not when you're offense scored less.

How can you say the defense was not even decent, yet say (albeit in other posts) that the offense was okay?

Beemnseven · 09-12-2006, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

How can you say the defense was not even decent, yet say (albeit in other posts) that the offense was okay?

Okay, I've scanned all my posts since the loss last night and I can't find where I have said anything, good or bad, about the offense. Maybe you can.

For the record, the offense deserves as much blame as does the defense. I simply haven't gotten around to my critique of the O just yet.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 09-12-2006, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Okay, I've scanned all my posts since the loss last night and I can't find where I have said anything, good or bad, about the offense. Maybe you can.

For the record, the offense deserves as much blame as does the defense. I simply haven't gotten around to my critique of the O just yet.

Sorry, the part of my brain that affects my memory just took a dump. Never mind.

Beemnseven · 09-12-2006, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Sorry, the part of my brain that affects my memory just took a dump. Never mind.

No prob. I don't think anyone, from the coaches to each aspect of the team, -- offense, defense, special teams -- escapes blame for the loss.

There were some individual performances worthy of note, but that's going to involve some deep thought and analysis before I can think of any.

mheisig · 09-12-2006, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Two main areas need a big improvement.

Redzone offense, and our 3rd down defense.

If we improve those two areas we can live with just about anything else.

Right on. Redzone offense was abysmal, and the 3rd down defense just about gave me a heart attack. If EITHER of those were better last night we would have won.

I'll also add to that Carlos Rogers. I thought that guy was the shit last year, but he scared me this game. He flat out could not cover a second-rate receiver in Williamson - how is he going to do against TO or Glenn next week? And what was with the absurd little dance after the receiver flat out dropped the ball, which had nothing to do with him?

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 09-12-2006, 08:17 PM

I wonder if Carlos Rogers' struggles were in any way related to Troy Williamson's blazing speed. I'd be more comfortable with that answer than with a mental lapse.

vaoutlaws2006 · 09-12-2006, 08:23 PM

where is nick novak now? I think there needs to be some sort of kicking competition. John Hall doesnt even kickoff anymore and if you cant make a 48 yard field you got to go. NFL= not for long. I wish gibbs would adopt that policy. If I am not mistaking didnt the skins cut antonio brown last season after a fumble on opening day? the same should apply to hall and especially after seeing him on comcast after the game saying it was all his fault and he will shoulder the blame. We need to have some accountablity. cut john hall now...

vaoutlaws2006 · 09-12-2006, 08:24 PM

one more final thought and then i will be done talking about last night. You wont win many games if you get into the redzone and score 1 td and 3 fgs. The play calling in the red zone was ridiculous...inside the 5 and we dont see tj duckett? what was saunders thinking?

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 09-12-2006, 08:27 PM

I respectfully have to disagree with cutting Hall, at least until I get more information. Hall used to be clutch in those long distance FGs. Assuming Hall gets healthy, he'll be better than anything else on the street. I just pray he's expected to get healthy, as it's been 2 years now.

I can't imagine why Gibbs et al would keep him around unless there was some expectation that he would get healthy.

vaoutlaws2006 · 09-12-2006, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I respectfully have to disagree with cutting Hall, at least until I get more information. Hall used to be clutch in those long distance FGs. Assuming Hall gets healthy, he'll be better than anything else on the street. I just pray he's expected to get healthy, as it's been 2 years now.

I can't imagine why Gibbs et al would keep him around unless there was some expectation that he would get healthy.

the key word in your post "USED"....suggesting in the past he was a clutch kicker. thats the thing in the "PAST" he was clutch. NOT NOW. I gotta disagree in case you forgot i think novak won the game for us last year against the seahawks during the regular season. Its been two years of injuries and inconsistencies its time to move on and bring in a few kickers and lets a have an open competition. which we should have done in the preseason.

09-12-2006, 08:17 PM	#26
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 34 Posts: 8,317	Re: Needs for improvement I wonder if Carlos Rogers' struggles were in any way related to Troy Williamson's blazing speed. I'd be more comfortable with that answer than with a mental lapse.

09-12-2006, 08:23 PM	#27
vaoutlaws2006 Impact Rookie Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Fayettenam, NC Age: 41 Posts: 806	Re: Needs for improvement where is nick novak now? I think there needs to be some sort of kicking competition. John Hall doesnt even kickoff anymore and if you cant make a 48 yard field you got to go. NFL= not for long. I wish gibbs would adopt that policy. If I am not mistaking didnt the skins cut antonio brown last season after a fumble on opening day? the same should apply to hall and especially after seeing him on comcast after the game saying it was all his fault and he will shoulder the blame. We need to have some accountablity. cut john hall now... __________________ The future is obviously right now!

09-12-2006, 08:24 PM	#28
vaoutlaws2006 Impact Rookie Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Fayettenam, NC Age: 41 Posts: 806	Re: Needs for improvement one more final thought and then i will be done talking about last night. You wont win many games if you get into the redzone and score 1 td and 3 fgs. The play calling in the red zone was ridiculous...inside the 5 and we dont see tj duckett? what was saunders thinking? __________________ The future is obviously right now!

09-12-2006, 08:27 PM	#29
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 34 Posts: 8,317	Re: Needs for improvement I respectfully have to disagree with cutting Hall, at least until I get more information. Hall used to be clutch in those long distance FGs. Assuming Hall gets healthy, he'll be better than anything else on the street. I just pray he's expected to get healthy, as it's been 2 years now. I can't imagine why Gibbs et al would keep him around unless there was some expectation that he would get healthy.

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