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Time to bench Brunell? (Mega Man Merge)

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View Poll Results: Is it time to bench Brunell?
Yes 141 61.84%
Give him another week 37 16.23%
Give him a few more weeks 35 15.35%
No 15 6.58%
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Old 09-18-2006, 01:21 AM   #31
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Re: Bench Brunell

My major problem with Brunell is that he really is not a playMAKER.
I think should he get the start next week...that we may very well beat the texans... The problem is that they suck however...and i am worried that just because we may go ahead and beat them...in an unspectacular fashion...that ppl will get reassured that Brunell really is the answer...that he is this great game manager...and that is what we need to go far.

Personally i believe that Brunell does two things to our offense. He prevents turn overs...by not taking risks... But at the same time he fails to help us sustain drives and score points for the same reason.

I wouldnt even think about bringing in another over the hill QB like Favre at this point...because if you did you would be talking about comitting to him for another two years...and we need to see what cambell can do. But seriously...just try to imagine...if that was Favre out there...Dont you guys think that we would be scoring way more points! I mean you look at it and say...well maybe its because Brunell isnt on the same page with his receivers yet...but i mean look at what Mcnabb has done with stallworth...before the guy could have possibly had any time to learn the offense...

I seriously believe that having Brunell out there means that the whole team needs to play well in order for us to win. It only works when the running game is in sync...so that we can eat up clock...and our D is firing on all cylinders to shut down opposing teams offenses. The point is that there are times when this is not the case...when maybe some of the players...or some of the team...is not at its best...and at that point you really need a playmaker who can be the guy to take the team on his shoulders...and give you a spark.

Favre is and has been that kind of player his entire career...Mcnabb is...Eli is becoming that... Brunell certainly is not...and has not been for his entire time in washington.

I actually believe that Brunell is worse than a veteran like Brad Johnson. Johnson it seems...would have been a nice fit here...because while he doesnt take too many risks...he does seem to do an effective job of moving the offense...and Minnesotas record while he has been starting shows it.

I guess at this point...i would be really more curious than anything else...to see whether my hunch is right...that Brunell by playing it safe all the time...really has been holding this offense back...from reaching its lofty potential...at the very least...by not providing us the spark we need.

I think should cambell get some starts...we may very well see some rookie mistakes that will make ppl yell at there TV screens...mistakes that may cost us some games. But at the same time i think we will suddenly see the offense become much more explosive...guys gainging alot more yards etc...

That is why last year...i was kind of hoping to see ramsey get some starts...because in spite of the increased risk for turnovers...i really believed the additional explosivness of the offense could counterbalance it.

Cambell...is much less experienced than Ramsey...and hasnt taken a snap in a real game yet...so we are less sure what he will bring to the table...but i would be interested in seeing what hes got. So...i think...we give Brunell one more week...and if he continues to suck just make him the back up...and make cambell the starter...but in any case whether or not Brunell continues to be the primary starter...i believe the coaches ought to make a serious effort to get Cambell game time experience...like the titans have been doing with young.

I think this team is too talented to accept mediocre play at the QB position...and i think we need to give the young guy the opportunity to show us if he can take this offense where it needs to go.
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Old 09-18-2006, 01:21 AM   #32
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Re: Time to bench Brunell?

I think Brunell sucks is the easy way out...although right about now it's probably true.

As far as the offense being out of snych. Well my thoughts on that are, the QB sets the rythym, he sets the pace often times. He can impose his will on the tempo of the game. Brunell never, ever forces anything.

Today I watched Eli Manning play three very mediocre quarters of football. But when his team needed him most, he made the gutsy throws to win the game. On that final drive where they won the game, you can't tell me Philly 'took everything' away, yet Eli was able to string together enough throws for his offense to believe they could pull it out. That's not the case with Brunell or the Redskins. No, eveything doesn't rest on Brunell. No, he doesn't shoulder all the blame for the ineptness of our offense, but if he of all people can't pull up his own bootstraps, huddle the boys up, and start throwing between the numbers, woe unto us!!
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Old 09-18-2006, 01:25 AM   #33
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Re: Time to bench Brunell?

On the post game show on Sportstalk 980, Doc Walker said it best -- (paraphrasing) if Campbell can't do better than Brunell, then it was a waste of a pick.

That's basically where I am. I don't think you're throwing in the towel by letting Jason Campbell play. At some point, you have to wonder if sitting Brunell and having the kid take over is what's best for the team.

Does Brunell still give us the best chance to win? While it's not all on him, maybe Campbell completes a pass to a tightly covered receiver, or he does something that Brunell couldn't do all night: hit a receiver while being blitzed and make the opposing defense pay for it. Make them back off a bit. The way things played out tonight, Dallas had no reason not to blitz someone on every single play. The Redskins couldn't defend it once!
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Old 09-18-2006, 01:29 AM   #34
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Re: Time to bench Brunell?

Heres what i wrote in the other similar thread...

My major problem with Brunell is that he really is not a playMAKER.
I think should he get the start next week...that we may very well beat the texans... The problem is that they suck however...and i am worried that just because we may go ahead and beat them...in an unspectacular fashion...that ppl will get reassured that Brunell really is the answer...that he is this great game manager...and that is what we need to go far.

Personally i believe that Brunell does two things to our offense. He prevents turn overs...by not taking risks... But at the same time he fails to help us sustain drives and score points for the same reason.

I wouldnt even think about bringing in another over the hill QB like Favre at this point...because if you did you would be talking about comitting to him for another two years...and we need to see what cambell can do. But seriously...just try to imagine...if that was Favre out there...Dont you guys think that we would be scoring way more points! I mean you look at it and say...well maybe its because Brunell isnt on the same page with his receivers yet...but i mean look at what Mcnabb has done with stallworth...before the guy could have possibly had any time to learn the offense...

I seriously believe that having Brunell out there means that the whole team needs to play well in order for us to win. It only works when the running game is in sync...so that we can eat up clock...and our D is firing on all cylinders to shut down opposing teams offenses. The point is that there are times when this is not the case...when maybe some of the players...or some of the team...is not at its best...and at that point you really need a playmaker who can be the guy to take the team on his shoulders...and give you a spark.

Favre is and has been that kind of player his entire career...Mcnabb is...Eli is becoming that... Brunell certainly is not...and has not been for his entire time in washington.

I actually believe that Brunell is worse than a veteran like Brad Johnson. Johnson it seems...would have been a nice fit here...because while he doesnt take too many risks...he does seem to do an effective job of moving the offense...and Minnesotas record while he has been starting shows it.

I guess at this point...i would be really more curious than anything else...to see whether my hunch is right...that Brunell by playing it safe all the time...really has been holding this offense back...from reaching its lofty potential...at the very least...by not providing us the spark we need.

I think should cambell get some starts...we may very well see some rookie mistakes that will make ppl yell at there TV screens...mistakes that may cost us some games. But at the same time i think we will suddenly see the offense become much more explosive...guys gainging alot more yards etc...

That is why last year...i was kind of hoping to see ramsey get some starts...because in spite of the increased risk for turnovers...i really believed the additional explosivness of the offense could counterbalance it.

Cambell...is much less experienced than Ramsey...and hasnt taken a snap in a real game yet...so we are less sure what he will bring to the table...but i would be interested in seeing what hes got. So...i think...we give Brunell one more week...and if he continues to suck just make him the back up...and make cambell the starter...but in any case whether or not Brunell continues to be the primary starter...i believe the coaches ought to make a serious effort to get Cambell game time experience...like the titans have been doing with young.

I think this team is too talented to accept mediocre play at the QB position...and i think we need to give the young guy the opportunity to show us if he can take this offense where it needs to go.
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Old 09-18-2006, 01:32 AM   #35
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Re: Time to bench Brunell?

I was in that camp that said "don't worry it's preseason". Then when we lost last week, "just wait, we'll be fine".

No more. He's got to be benched.

Al Saunders is a big waste of $2M to call run plays on every 1st and 2nd down. Gibbs could have done that (but wouldn't have).
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Old 09-18-2006, 01:33 AM   #36
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NFL EUROPE, you make some good points. But I must disagree with your initial point, if the Texans really are that bad then it's the perfect game for Campbell to start. Why not get him going against, well, a mediocre defense. I don't want to see him starting against a Philly, not even the Giantes.
Bench Brunell now - quick!
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Old 09-18-2006, 01:37 AM   #37
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This is my first post here. So ALOHA everyone and hang in there. I could not of been more frustrated watching a game as i was today. Brunell's bounce passes and "paranoid" game management sure is irritating. O-line needs to take a long hard look at themselves as well. Im not sure if benching Brunell is our best option right now. All I can say is it is going to be a long painful week in my sports world.
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Old 09-18-2006, 01:41 AM   #38
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to all who feel we should leave the decision of whether or not to bench brunell up to what happens next week,
WHAT WILL THAT PROVE? ANY LIMP WRISTED qb IN THE LEAGUE, COLLEGE FO THAT MATTER, CAN PASS AGAINST THE TEXANS. THEY ARE AS GOOD AS MY TOWN PEEWEE LEAGUE TEAM. MAYBE IF THE SKINS WERE AT LEAST PLAYINGG AGAINST A MEDEOCURE TEAM I WOULD LEAVE IT UP TO NEXT WEEK, BUT WE'RE NOT. LETS STOP THE BLEEDING AND GIVE CAMPBELL A LEGITAMATE SHOT, UNLIKE THE ONE RAMSEY WAS GIVEN.
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Old 09-18-2006, 01:47 AM   #39
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to all who feel we should leave the decision of whether or not to bench brunell up to what happens next week,
WHAT WILL THAT PROVE? ANY LIMP WRISTED qb IN THE LEAGUE, COLLEGE FO THAT MATTER, CAN PASS AGAINST THE TEXANS. THEY ARE AS GOOD AS MY TOWN PEEWEE LEAGUE TEAM. MAYBE IF THE SKINS WERE AT LEAST PLAYINGG AGAINST A MEDEOCURE TEAM I WOULD LEAVE IT UP TO NEXT WEEK, BUT WE'RE NOT. LETS STOP THE BLEEDING AND GIVE CAMPBELL A LEGITAMATE SHOT, UNLIKE THE ONE RAMSEY WAS GIVEN.
Please leave Ramsey out of this discussin. He got his shot! In fact, he's still getting he's shot in NY.
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Please leave Ramsey out of this discussin. He got his shot! In fact, he's still getting he's shot in NY.
did he REALLY get his shot...an as for "in new york"...why wasnt he used in the final plays of the game today?
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This is my first post here. So ALOHA everyone and hang in there. I could not of been more frustrated watching a game as i was today. Brunell's bounce passes and "paranoid" game management sure is irritating. O-line needs to take a long hard look at themselves as well. Im not sure if benching Brunell is our best option right now. All I can say is it is going to be a long painful week in my sports world.

WELCOME!! Personally I think there are very few here who will beg to differ with you.
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did he REALLY get his shot...an as for "in new york"...why wasnt he used in the final plays of the game today?
Exactly my point! You earn your shots in the NFL. And if Ramsey was so shaffted (don't if that's a word) in Washington, why in the hell couldn't beat out Pennington? You can't say he didn't get a fair shake in NY.

For the record, I'm not responding to anymore Ramsey non-sense.
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Old 09-18-2006, 01:54 AM   #43
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I agree with Doc Walker. Campbell cannot do any worse.. Brunell had 45 yds passing before that last drive.. 45!!!!!! That is unacceptable from an NFL QB!!! Put Campbell in there with Portis, Moss, Lloyd, Cooley, etc and let him figure it out.. It's not giving up on the season, we're 0-2, the season (thusfar) has been a disaster anyways, what are we risking?
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All I've gotta say is, time to pull Brunell.

...And put in Diet Pepsi Machine.
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Exactly my point! You earn your shots in the NFL. And if Ramsey was so shaffted (don't if that's a word) in Washington, why in the hell couldn't beat out Pennington? You can't say he didn't get a fair shake in NY.

For the record, I'm not responding to anymore Ramsey non-sense.
u brought ramsey up...did u keep ur eyes closed the whole time ramsey was a skin?
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