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Old 11-01-2006, 11:43 AM   #16
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Re: Reality check on Campbell

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Quick Question...

what happens if we leave brunell in and we do make the playoffs this year?
The D would definately have to step up, but Brunell could be a huge part of that, and if he does come back swinging, do we get rid of him next year?

I wonder if that happens, (and dont say it couldn't because this is exactly what Gibbs is wanting to happen, and he's got faith it will...) will brunell be back next year, and would we want to go through a learning curve with JC next year as he gets acclimated to an offense it apparently takes a year to get acclimated to for someone who didn't score a 7 on the wonderlick....
Great question. Here's the thing. If we do make a playoff run, surely we would have to finish the season 7-2 or better. If he does that and makes a deep playoff run, say gets to the championship game, then you don't get rid of him. See, people are under the impression that anytime you lose, the QB isn't good enough and the Redskins could quite realistically go 8-1 without Brunell doing a damn thing different than he is now.

If he doesn't get us to the NFC Championship, I'd hand Campbell the job in the offseason.
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Old 11-01-2006, 11:46 AM   #17
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I would be so much more excited for the game if the redskins started another QB this sunday. You would think that Gibbs would realize that the fans dont support brunell, you don't want a guy in who the fans no longer support. Gibbs benched brunell in 2004, I hope he can do the same in 2006.
Sure, that makes a lot of sense. Base your decisions on who the fans want
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Great question. Here's the thing. If we do make a playoff run, surely we would have to finish the season 7-2 or better. If he does that and makes a deep playoff run, say gets to the championship game, then you don't get rid of him. See, people are under the impression that anytime you lose, the QB isn't good enough and the Redskins could quite realistically go 8-1 without Brunell doing a damn thing different than he is now.

If he doesn't get us to the NFC Championship, I'd hand Campbell the job in the offseason.
The Ravens got rid of Dilfer. Cincinnatti got rid of Kitna. The 49er's let Montanna go. The Chargers got rid of Brees (sure he had an injured shoulder but..). At some point you have to make the switch for the future. An aging QB needs to be a huge fan favorite in order to stay when there's a young gun waiting on the bench.
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Old 11-01-2006, 11:56 AM   #19
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Re: Reality check on Campbell

I said a few weeks ago to not expect to see Campbell until the season is all but over, which will be with losses to the Cowboys and Eagles.

But with Brunell's recent rib injury and the fact that Campbell has been seeing a lot of work in practice, I won't be surprised if we see him sooner.
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Old 11-01-2006, 02:03 PM   #20
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Re: Reality check on Campbell

Many fans have reached the point where they're not as much concerned with wins and losses at this stage as they are about change. Maybe it would be different if they felt we had a realistic chance of winning something this year, but the way this team has performed thus far, it's very difficult to continue maintaining an optimistic view. This Brunell/Campbell dilema will undoubtably work itself out, but if Brunell continues to start these games and his play does not inspire, there's going to be maximim fan pressure on Gibbs to take a different view of his stated position. It was fan pressure that made Gibbs rethink his decision on Brunell in 2004 when he benched him in favor of Ramsey, and I have a feeling things could get real ugly at Fed-Ex if Gibbs continues along this stubborn course.
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Old 11-01-2006, 02:16 PM   #21
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I would be so much more excited for the game if the redskins started another QB this sunday. You would think that Gibbs would realize that the fans dont support brunell, you don't want a guy in who the fans no longer support. Gibbs benched brunell in 2004, I hope he can do the same in 2006.

I think you believe that the fans in general do not support Brunell. Not true. Many don't, but............many do. While I am interested in seeing JC play, and beginning the next QB evolution, I can wait for the next couple of games to see if the current tailspin can be arrested. Brunell is part of a TEAM playing BAD football, not a solo act
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Old 11-01-2006, 02:18 PM   #22
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to all who say JC is not the anwser now and the season is still alive we are 2-5 people. we dont any facet of the game to hang our hat on no offense no defense or special teams. we suck this year we lost to the titans. lost to the vikes on opening night we should have beaten them we were up at the half. no excuses we deserve to be 2-5. we are 2-5 team with a vet a QB. lets see the titans 2-5 vince young starting. 2-5 bucs gradcowski. raiders 2-5 walters. these are the young guys playing for there teams. but we have brunell leading us to 2-5. yes qbs get to much glory and too much critizism for loses but he the team leader on the field
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Old 11-01-2006, 02:21 PM   #23
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We will see if the fans support brunell this sunday? just open your ears and you will be enlightened.
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Old 11-01-2006, 02:25 PM   #24
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Correct! While what you say is generally true, to not put the best team on the field to win when THERE IS a chance (albeit small one) to turn it around is GIVING UP, QUITTING. It is possible that JC could work some miracle, but the odds against that are extraordinary. First year starting QB's don't excell. Rothlesberger is a freak
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Old 11-01-2006, 03:40 PM   #25
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My humble two cents on who plays QB.

When I look to hire a person to do a job, I look for experience, knowledge, pedigree, character, and all too often cost.

I have never hired someone because they could use the experience and they probably couldn't do any worse than the guy doing it now. I do not tie my performance record to a guy who has not proven he can get the job done.

You have to prove yourself as better capable to do the job before you unseat the incumbent. Its just the way life works.

For JC that means proving it day in and day out with consistent performances at practice, in front of those that make the decision.
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Old 11-01-2006, 04:34 PM   #26
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the way u prove your self in the NFL is with playing in an actual game. i dont know how many times this needs to be stated is we are 2-5!!!! i know brunell is probably the better QB to beat dallas this week but what glimmer of hope are we holding on too. last when we won all those games in a row to make the playoffs at least of defense was playing very well prior to the winning streak and our offense only had to get a little better. i think i have come to relaize now that brunell will start until we all but barley elminated from the playoffs. which will be shortly.
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You have to prove yourself as better capable to do the job before you unseat the incumbent. Its just the way life works.

For JC that means proving it day in and day out with consistent performances at practice, in front of those that make the decision.
so why isn't Taylor Jacobs or Antonio Brown our number 1 receiver?
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My humble two cents on who plays QB.

When I look to hire a person to do a job, I look for experience, knowledge, pedigree, character, and all too often cost.

[/b]I have never hired someone because they could use the experience and they probably couldn't do any worse than the guy doing it now. I do not tie my performance record to a guy who has not proven he can get the job done.[/b]

You have to prove yourself as better capable to do the job before you unseat the incumbent. Its just the way life works.

For JC that means proving it day in and day out with consistent performances at practice, in front of those that make the decision.
So what you're saying is that without experience you won't hire someone, but how is that someone supposed to get experience if no one will hire him until he gets experience? Campbell's been "interning" for the past year and a half, how long are we going to keep the training wheels on him?

I don't buy that Brunell gives us the best chance for winning, simply because his career arc and Campbell's are at the complete opposite ends of the spectrum. Brunell is what he is, we can hope he plays more consistently but he's not going to get any better, not at 36 and not in the NFL. Campbell can improve, and given how much we gave up to get him I'd say we're counting on him an awful lot. Since Gibbs proclaimed Campbell ready to play, I'd say your qualifier on JC gaining experience first has come true this week in practice. So start JC, I mean he's got some pretty powerful initials, so if anyone can save our season it's JC!

Brunell's experience is only valuable if it leads to wins or prevents losses. Since we're 2-5, I'd say his experience hasn't proved too valuable thus far.
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Old 11-01-2006, 04:43 PM   #29
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a qb is a different position. jacobs and brown had chances to prove themselves on special teams and on occasion on offense. a qb needs to play games to gather experience. antonio peirce the big year he had before he left for the giants had never been a starter look at what he did and is doing. i just read on redskins.com moss and portis status is uncertain for the game if we dont have either of those guys getting ready for the "brunell five yard dump off show" all day long. 3rd and 8 dump for five yards then punt. 1st and 10 run for 4 yards. brings up 2nd and 6 "whistle" false start 5 yard penalty. 2 and 11 wr screen gain of 2 yards brings up 3rd and 9 guess whats coming five yard check down pass to betts 4th down and have to punt.
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Old 11-01-2006, 04:51 PM   #30
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Well if you don't think campbell is ready then bring in todd.......any change at QB could have a positive effect. Maybe Gibbs would be more comfortable bringing in another veteran to salvage the season, then once playoffs are out of reach, let campbell get in there.
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