Does Campbell end the 'Cover 2' excuse?

skinsfan69 · 11-14-2006, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RobH4413

While this is true.... a 15-25 yd dig is one of the longest plays to develop. Curls work, and we do tend to use them as well, but with the corners easing back in the flats, it gets dangerous when you've got a noodle arm at QB. So therefore, CB's anticipate the flat pass, and jump the hell out of it. That's basically what our offense couldn't overcome.

The route that beats the cover 2, is the WR post & a TE skinny post. Both great plays for a QB who can place a ball well (and is tall enough to see the field). We'll see what happends. I'm excited.

Skinny post works very well against cover 2 and we saw some of that against Indy. There are many ways to attack the cover 2 in the 15-25 yard range. If the line can protect, (and that's a big if) it will be interesting to see if Campbell is willing sit in the pocket and wait for those down the field routes to develop. If you ask me, Brunell just didn't have the willingness the sit in there and wait for things to develop down the field. Plus Brunell needed perfect protection to get in down the field.

That Guy · 11-14-2006, 07:26 PM

gibbs won't need the cover-2 excuse, cause campbell can throw deep all day... he might need an interception excuse, but hopefully we score more than tampa so he won't have to anything besides "we got great QB play."

I'd guess it'll be a bit rough against tampa on the road, but there's always a chance it just works out.

dmek25 · 11-14-2006, 08:28 PM

why do you guys have to go and get hessy all fired up? and hessy, i dont understand why you dont want campbell to have sucess right now, as opposed to next season?

SmootSmack · 11-14-2006, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by hesscl34

... It's time for doom and gloom folks. All down hill from here - UNTIL NEXT YEAR!

You're trying to be sarcastic aren't you?

SmootSmack · 11-14-2006, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by hesscl34

The end is near.... I think I'll go kick an poor elderly guy while he's down. Maybe that will make me feel better....

It helps if he happens to be walking his big-eyed puppy

Hog1 · 11-15-2006, 08:55 AM

If you have not already read it, read the JC article posted by Matty "From idle to idol". It will get you stoked up to see him play!

redskinsfanatic · 11-15-2006, 10:07 AM

campbell brings an elememnt to the redskins too that brunnell was
probably one of the best in history at,and tha's scrambling.how
many plays have you guys seen this year that brunnell of old could scramble 10-15 yards,and get a first down out of?campbell can do that,he's big,smart,very athelitic,and has a great arm.
ading a qb that can run and scramble will bring an element to the redskins qb issues that they have hardly ever had.

TheMalcolmConnection · 11-15-2006, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by RobH4413

Sunday is so far away!!!!

That's the first pic I've ever seen of him with SOME emotion!

GTripp0012 · 11-15-2006, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by illdefined

all the receivers are REALLY going to try and get separation now, because they know Campbell has the arm to really get it to them. even out of the pocket. the whole character of this team has changed. watch and see.

*saves post*

Unfortunately the defense STILL sucks, and the offensive line STILL holds. You have to love Randle El's versatility, but as a wideout he is worse than average. Lloyd has been even worse than him so far, although he's starting to make some big catches in 1 v 1 coverage (what he's paid to do).

Not saying they won't pick it up, just don't see any reason why they will.

But I appreaciate your conspiracy theroy that they weren't really trying for MB.

Mattyk · 11-15-2006, 10:30 AM

The change in QB just might energize some guys and Thomas has already alluded to the fact that they know they have to step up in order to help Campbell out.

GTripp0012 · 11-15-2006, 10:32 AM

From a purely X's and O's standpoint...

Seeing as that a cover 2 requires that the safeties get deep, the two MOST effective ways to beat it are short passes and running the football. Throwing deep is a terrible method to beat the cover 2 since there are so many versions of it (soft or quarters, hard 2, bastardized 2 (usually a zone blitz)), espicially for a young QB playing against a D as good as Tampa's on the road, it can be really difficult for any QB to read the different varitions. In the hard two (what Dallas was playing a majority of the time two weeks ago), you can beat it down the middle, but in pretty much every other version of cover 2, the safeties will pinch, and force you to hit them in the 'hole' between the corners and safeties. It's a tough throw for anyone to make, and one that Campbell may or may not have the accuracy to throw.

This year, we've been throwing short to beat the 2, and we've been picking up first downs against it. Our drives seem to stall in enemy territory, keeping our PPG lower than it should be, and I have no idea why this happens. Luck maybe? Sh*tty playcalling? At this point, since CP is going on IR, and our QB is green as grass, it's moot point because I don't think we will be in opponents territory very often.

GTripp0012 · 11-15-2006, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The change in QB just might energize some guys and Thomas has already alluded to the fact that they know they have to step up in order to help Campbell out.

Don't you think Gruden will have Tampa energized to play at home against JC this week? The complexity of the game changes a bit when things get high-emotion, but utimately if we get beaten in the trenches, there's no way we get into double digits this week.

I really hope that Tampa doesn't show up, but that team is hungry for a win and with CP on IR for a 4 week injury, its obvious to me that we are playing for next year.

GTripp0012 · 11-15-2006, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by hesscl34

I had a nightmare last night that I woke up to the radio saying "There's sad news from Redskins park this morning... Joe Gibbs has stepped down."... UGH! I was so glad when I became fully awake a realized it was a dream!

This season has been one problem after another, after another. I feel like Porits and Moss cannot WAIT for it to end. Which makes me sad for the team.... What a mess we are all in.

Good news is we get the 4th place schedule...Arizona and Tampa next year.

redskinsfanatic · 11-15-2006, 10:40 AM

the redskins really have'nt thrown downfield at all this year!
maybe that will change because of campbell.i'm sick of seeing these little swing passes to betts and cooley.they only way you can make plays better is by throwing the ball down field,not on screen passes every other play!

redskinsfanatic · 11-15-2006, 10:43 AM

Good news is we get the 4th place schedule...Arizona and Tampa next year.

the 49ers too!are the skins on schedule to play the afc east next year,or the ravens divison?

11-14-2006, 07:26 PM	#62
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 30 Posts: 15,623	Re: Does Campbell end the 'Cover 2' excuse? gibbs won't need the cover-2 excuse, cause campbell can throw deep all day... he might need an interception excuse, but hopefully we score more than tampa so he won't have to anything besides "we got great QB play." I'd guess it'll be a bit rough against tampa on the road, but there's always a chance it just works out. __________________ Who says shameless self promotion is stupid? oh yeah, that was me... Click For Tunes!

11-14-2006, 08:28 PM	#63
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 51 Posts: 10,440	Re: Does Campbell end the 'Cover 2' excuse? why do you guys have to go and get hessy all fired up? and hessy, i dont understand why you dont want campbell to have sucess right now, as opposed to next season? __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

11-15-2006, 08:55 AM	#66
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 8,376	Re: Does Campbell end the 'Cover 2' excuse? If you have not already read it, read the JC article posted by Matty "From idle to idol". It will get you stoked up to see him play! __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... Win! Always win! By fair means or foul, by soft words and hard deeds... by treachery, by cunning, by malpractice... but always win--Edward Teach

11-15-2006, 10:07 AM	#67
redskinsfanatic Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 542	Re: Does Campbell end the 'Cover 2' excuse? campbell brings an elememnt to the redskins too that brunnell was probably one of the best in history at,and tha's scrambling.how many plays have you guys seen this year that brunnell of old could scramble 10-15 yards,and get a first down out of?campbell can do that,he's big,smart,very athelitic,and has a great arm. ading a qb that can run and scramble will bring an element to the redskins qb issues that they have hardly ever had.

11-15-2006, 10:30 AM	#70
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,693	Re: Does Campbell end the 'Cover 2' excuse? The change in QB just might energize some guys and Thomas has already alluded to the fact that they know they have to step up in order to help Campbell out. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

11-15-2006, 10:32 AM	#71
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Age: 25 Posts: 15,143	Re: Does Campbell end the 'Cover 2' excuse? From a purely X's and O's standpoint... Seeing as that a cover 2 requires that the safeties get deep, the two MOST effective ways to beat it are short passes and running the football. Throwing deep is a terrible method to beat the cover 2 since there are so many versions of it (soft or quarters, hard 2, bastardized 2 (usually a zone blitz)), espicially for a young QB playing against a D as good as Tampa's on the road, it can be really difficult for any QB to read the different varitions. In the hard two (what Dallas was playing a majority of the time two weeks ago), you can beat it down the middle, but in pretty much every other version of cover 2, the safeties will pinch, and force you to hit them in the 'hole' between the corners and safeties. It's a tough throw for anyone to make, and one that Campbell may or may not have the accuracy to throw. This year, we've been throwing short to beat the 2, and we've been picking up first downs against it. Our drives seem to stall in enemy territory, keeping our PPG lower than it should be, and I have no idea why this happens. Luck maybe? Sh*tty playcalling? At this point, since CP is going on IR, and our QB is green as grass, it's moot point because I don't think we will be in opponents territory very often. __________________ Shanahan: “The bad thing is he's [Sav Rocca] probably our best offensive weapon and that’s not good.”

11-15-2006, 10:40 AM	#74
redskinsfanatic Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 542	Re: Does Campbell end the 'Cover 2' excuse? the redskins really have'nt thrown downfield at all this year! maybe that will change because of campbell.i'm sick of seeing these little swing passes to betts and cooley.they only way you can make plays better is by throwing the ball down field,not on screen passes every other play!

11-15-2006, 10:43 AM	#75
redskinsfanatic Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 542	Re: Does Campbell end the 'Cover 2' excuse? Good news is we get the 4th place schedule...Arizona and Tampa next year. the 49ers too!are the skins on schedule to play the afc east next year,or the ravens divison?

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