Redskins, Jaguars interested in Ogunleye

MonkManiac · 06-21-2004, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

they wouldnt have to absord that much, we would take the hit if wynn had a signing bonus, which would lower his salary structure for them. Either way he could redo it with them if he was included.

Gardner would have been a consideratoin for them had them not singed David Boston. I cant imagine them wanting to give up a probowlers for a third strign receiver. Chambers will play second string, so he would have ot battle with D.Thompson for 3rd string.

Chambers plays second string to David Boston? Are you kidding?

I wouldn't mind unloading Gardner, but I feel like he really hasn't done enough in this league to attract enough interest from other teams. We'd have more of a chance giving them Wynn plus a number one.

illdefined · 06-21-2004, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MonkManiac

Chambers plays second string to David Boston? Are you kidding?

I wouldn't mind unloading Gardner, but I feel like he really hasn't done enough in this league to attract enough interest from other teams. We'd have more of a chance giving them Wynn plus a number one.

Wynn and a First. Gardner to sweeten the deal. think its all worth very worth it. think MIA would go for it??

SKINSnCANES · 06-21-2004, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MonkManiac

Chambers plays second string to David Boston? Are you kidding?

I wouldn't mind unloading Gardner, but I feel like he really hasn't done enough in this league to attract enough interest from other teams. We'd have more of a chance giving them Wynn plus a number one.

Either way, Gardner wouldnt be first or second string, which is what I meant. It would be a different argument deciding who was be first string out of those two. Doesnt matter really, both will always be on the field.

Hogskin · 06-21-2004, 04:23 PM

Don't be so sure, Canes. They have been REAL unhappy with Boston so far. They say he is doing better getting into shape this year, but that is very far from a sure #2 WR spot. With the passing woes thay have had in recent years, I really think they would love to get Gardner. That is why I brought it up in the other Ogunleye thread a few days ago. I still think we have a shot with Gardner and, say, a round 2. Sure worth a shot. And you can be CERTAIN Dan is on the horn talking turkey of some sort with them. He does not let an opportunity pass unnoticed.

memphisskin · 06-21-2004, 04:32 PM

I think it's worth it. He's a young DE, and he had more sacks than Taylor this past season. I doubt we include Gardner, he's a solid guy, a former first round pick, and I look for him to blossom this season. I really don't think we have the pieces to trade, since most of our guys are free agents and we'd take a hit to move them.

This guy may not be the missing piece, but he certainly adds a dimension that we don't currently have on our team.

illdefined · 06-21-2004, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Hogskin

Don't be so sure, Canes. They have been REAL unhappy with Boston so far. They say he is doing better getting into shape this year, but that is very far from a sure #2 WR spot. With the passing woes thay have had in recent years, I really think they would love to get Gardner. That is why I brought it up in the other Ogunleye thread a few days ago. I still think we have a shot with Gardner and, say, a round 2. Sure worth a shot. And you can be CERTAIN Dan is on the horn talking turkey of some sort with them. He does not let an opportunity pass unnoticed.

God hear you. :headbange

Big C · 06-21-2004, 04:39 PM

why do you all think that adding renaldo wynn to any deal would help anyone? He is an average player at best, with the salary of a top notch D-Lineman. Gardner would make sense, but Wynn i cant see anyone wanting him.

SKINSnCANES · 06-21-2004, 04:44 PM

well, a coupel things. For one, we dotn have a number two. And what exactly do you mean by he is doing better getting into shape this year?? name one person in the NFL that has ever been in better shape than David Boston. The guy is jacked and a monster. Bostons only problem last year was his trainer thought he was on steroids and didnt understand that he just worked out for about 24 hours a day.

Either way, they dont need another WR to bring in just for competition sake, they woudl rather get somethign they have a greater need for. If we had a second round pick we would have more to offer. They are going to want our first, and if we were willing to give up a first and third then why didnt we do before. Hes always been available for a first and third.

Big C · 06-21-2004, 04:47 PM

Chambers in my opinion is way too overrated. He has never put up 1,000 yards in his career, and he is very undersized. He is a good reciever, but he is not as good as people think. Boston is better than Chambers IMO, j ust look at what hes done. Last year, if it wasnt for his suspension, he probably would have cracked 1,000 yards with a crap QB.

illdefined · 06-21-2004, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Big C

why do you all think that adding renaldo wynn to any deal would help anyone? He is an average player at best, with the salary of a top notch D-Lineman. Gardner would make sense, but Wynn i cant see anyone wanting him.

cuz at the very least there would be someone to take Ogunleye's place in the lineup. and if their DLine is as good as people seem to think it is, then he could be more productive there. think he got any Dline help here?

SKINSnCANES · 06-21-2004, 05:04 PM

Like the Broncos with their running game, a lot of people say the same about the other end opposite Taylor on the Dolphins line. They think you could plug anyoen in there and he would be productive.
I dont think thats the case though, if it was they wouldnt care so much about keeping him. The dolphins havent even said yet that they want to trade him.
If we could get him im sure it woudl be a great upgrade for us, but I dont know if we would win the trade battle unless we want to give up a first and third. If there was a way to get him without giving up the first then itd woudl be awesome.

illdefined · 06-21-2004, 05:45 PM

ask yourself why do we need a first so bad (hopefully it'd be real late too)? we'd prolly use it for a DE anyway. w/o knowing how he could handle the NFL. a WR? like Gardner? all big risks. this guy is here now, young and tested.

Snyder is about to prove to the whole league how overrated the draft is. everyone agrees he's up to something good since the Jetskins, singlehandedly gonna change the league. he's come a long way from Deion and Jeff George.

SKINSnCANES · 06-21-2004, 06:06 PM

Coles was drafted in what, the seonc round. And when did teh dolphins draft him, i know he wanst earlier than 4th, I cant remember if he was even drafted. Coles was a huge pick up for us, but we could have also drafted him. Look at all the players that were drafted in teh first round that are stars now. Yes its a gamble, theres plenty of busts to, but thats always why they odnt make a lot of money.
And youre assuming that if we trade our first for him that he comes in and dominates. WHat if he comes in and is a huge bust, then what. They we have another overpaid player, and no draft choice. If you draft someone and they turn out to be a bust the penalty is a lot less.
Its a gamble no matter how you cut it, I just hope whatever Synder decides that we get the best of it.

illdefined · 06-21-2004, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

And youre assuming that if we trade our first for him that he comes in and dominates. WHat if he comes in and is a huge bust, then what. They we have another overpaid player, and no draft choice. If you draft someone and they turn out to be a bust the penalty is a lot less.
Its a gamble no matter how you cut it, I just hope whatever Synder decides that we get the best of it.

maybe not dominates, but better than anything we got or have had in forever? SAFE BET. this guy led the league and sacks his second year. didnt do too bad for his first, how much better is that than a draftee of unknown number?

Hogskin · 06-21-2004, 06:35 PM

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And what exactly do you mean by he is doing better getting into shape this year?? name one person in the NFL that has ever been in better shape than David Boston.

I'm not sure where you get your info. Here are some quotes from many different sources about his shape this year and last. This is what I have been reading:

"WR David Boston again missed practice because of a shin injury, although he was on the field to watch the drills. HC Dave Wannstedt said he thinks Boston's weight contributed to the injury. "He is heavier than he needs to be, but he has lost weight from where he was," said Wannstedt."

"HC Dave Wannstedt said he was much happier with the performance of WR David Boston, who missed the previous quarterback school with a calf injury. Boston was on the field and appeared in better condition than during the first minicamp, when he struggled to catch his breath at times. Wannstedt had expressed his displeasure with Boston during the previous quarterback school."

"2003 Hot Sheet Outlook
Boston was a total bust in San Diego last season and the Dolphins hope he can spark their lackluster passing attack after they acquired him in an offseason trade. His monster 2001 season in Arizona looks like a mirage, but he's certainly better than what he displayed with the Chargers. He showed up to Miami's minicamp overweight, and that may have contributed to a shin injury that hobbled him in early May. Buyer beware. "

"The Dolphins believe Boston plays his best at 229 pounds, but in two months, Boston hasn't shed a pound and still is around 240. Coach Dave Wannstedt believes weight was an issue for Boston in San Diego and doesn't want it to be here. "

"The Dolphins believe excess weight may have contributed to lower leg bleeding that kept Boston out of the first three days of quarterback school."

"Now we can see where a bit of Boston's attitude problems may be coming from, huh? If his personal trainer advises him to ignore his employer's trainers, it seems like a natural source of some of the friction that we heard about regarding Boston in San Diego last year. Will Boston "shape up" and please the Dolphins, or will his spiral out of favor continue in Miami? We'll keep you posted. "

"The loss spoiled a two-touchdown highlight show from Boston, who himself returned from a one-game suspension for violating team rules -- the coaching staff's code for being overweight. "

"Is anyone surprised by the David Boston situation in San Diego? All the Arizona people we talked to before the season predicted a meltdown with Boston playing for Marty Schottenheimer. The coach sent him home Wednesday for a series of disciplinary problems. Boston plays the game at times as if he doesn't care. Repeating the view here when he was signed: Boston was a bad signing for a team that needed defensive help. It's worse now since he's causing problems again. "The guy is a weird, strange man," said one Cardinals staffer. "It was only a matter of time."

Don't draft this guy in the early rounds of your fantasy league...

06-21-2004, 04:23 PM	#34
Hogskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hartselle, Alabama Age: 72 Posts: 659	Don't be so sure, Canes. They have been REAL unhappy with Boston so far. They say he is doing better getting into shape this year, but that is very far from a sure #2 WR spot. With the passing woes thay have had in recent years, I really think they would love to get Gardner. That is why I brought it up in the other Ogunleye thread a few days ago. I still think we have a shot with Gardner and, say, a round 2. Sure worth a shot. And you can be CERTAIN Dan is on the horn talking turkey of some sort with them. He does not let an opportunity pass unnoticed. __________________ John Shaffer National Fantasy Sports Leagues, Inc. Home of "The BEST Game In Town" since 1990

06-21-2004, 04:44 PM	#38
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 31 Posts: 5,394	well, a coupel things. For one, we dotn have a number two. And what exactly do you mean by he is doing better getting into shape this year?? name one person in the NFL that has ever been in better shape than David Boston. The guy is jacked and a monster. Bostons only problem last year was his trainer thought he was on steroids and didnt understand that he just worked out for about 24 hours a day. Either way, they dont need another WR to bring in just for competition sake, they woudl rather get somethign they have a greater need for. If we had a second round pick we would have more to offer. They are going to want our first, and if we were willing to give up a first and third then why didnt we do before. Hes always been available for a first and third. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

06-21-2004, 05:04 PM	#41
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 31 Posts: 5,394	Like the Broncos with their running game, a lot of people say the same about the other end opposite Taylor on the Dolphins line. They think you could plug anyoen in there and he would be productive. I dont think thats the case though, if it was they wouldnt care so much about keeping him. The dolphins havent even said yet that they want to trade him. If we could get him im sure it woudl be a great upgrade for us, but I dont know if we would win the trade battle unless we want to give up a first and third. If there was a way to get him without giving up the first then itd woudl be awesome. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

06-21-2004, 06:06 PM	#43
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 31 Posts: 5,394	Coles was drafted in what, the seonc round. And when did teh dolphins draft him, i know he wanst earlier than 4th, I cant remember if he was even drafted. Coles was a huge pick up for us, but we could have also drafted him. Look at all the players that were drafted in teh first round that are stars now. Yes its a gamble, theres plenty of busts to, but thats always why they odnt make a lot of money. And youre assuming that if we trade our first for him that he comes in and dominates. WHat if he comes in and is a huge bust, then what. They we have another overpaid player, and no draft choice. If you draft someone and they turn out to be a bust the penalty is a lot less. Its a gamble no matter how you cut it, I just hope whatever Synder decides that we get the best of it. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

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06-21-2004, 04:32 PM	#35
memphisskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 41 Posts: 958	I think it's worth it. He's a young DE, and he had more sacks than Taylor this past season. I doubt we include Gardner, he's a solid guy, a former first round pick, and I look for him to blossom this season. I really don't think we have the pieces to trade, since most of our guys are free agents and we'd take a hit to move them. This guy may not be the missing piece, but he certainly adds a dimension that we don't currently have on our team.

06-21-2004, 04:39 PM	#37
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Fairfax, Virginia Age: 27 Posts: 4,423	why do you all think that adding renaldo wynn to any deal would help anyone? He is an average player at best, with the salary of a top notch D-Lineman. Gardner would make sense, but Wynn i cant see anyone wanting him.

06-21-2004, 04:47 PM	#39
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Fairfax, Virginia Age: 27 Posts: 4,423	Chambers in my opinion is way too overrated. He has never put up 1,000 yards in his career, and he is very undersized. He is a good reciever, but he is not as good as people think. Boston is better than Chambers IMO, j ust look at what hes done. Last year, if it wasnt for his suspension, he probably would have cracked 1,000 yards with a crap QB.

06-21-2004, 05:45 PM	#42
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 37 Posts: 2,631	ask yourself why do we need a first so bad (hopefully it'd be real late too)? we'd prolly use it for a DE anyway. w/o knowing how he could handle the NFL. a WR? like Gardner? all big risks. this guy is here now, young and tested. Snyder is about to prove to the whole league how overrated the draft is. everyone agrees he's up to something good since the Jetskins, singlehandedly gonna change the league. he's come a long way from Deion and Jeff George.

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