Gregg Williams has to go

Oakland Red · 11-20-2006, 07:10 PM

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Jason LaCanfora points out some of the serious mistakes that Gregg Williams has made in terms of personnel, and it seems that the defense is no longer playing hard under his leadership.

I think that Joe Gibbs is going to ask Williams to leave after the season. There isn't any way we can go forward with him at the helm. The players don't seem to respond to him, he has made some very poor personnel decisions, his fairness is in question, and the field tactics he uses may no longer be adequate.

70Chip · 11-20-2006, 07:24 PM

I think it would be a big mistake to let Coach Williams go. He may leave anyways, he could have other opprotunities, but I don't think he should be forced.

SkinsLove24/7 · 11-20-2006, 07:28 PM

Wow. Talk about jumping the gun here. Think of the past two seasons under GW. The defense has been lights out. We were all so happy when we inked him for an extension in the offseason. If anyone made mistakes it was Snyder going out and attempting to upgrade the defense when it either wasn't needed and basically didn't work. The problem this season seems to be basically just a lack of skill on defense. I don't think this is GW's fault. Letting him go could be the worst move the team could make at this point.

SkinsLove24/7 · 11-20-2006, 07:29 PM

LOL...I just can't get over this. I think your just trying to start rumors or something. Such BS.

Oakland Red · 11-20-2006, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 70Chip

I think it would be a big mistake to let Coach Williams go. He may leave anyways, he could have other opprotunities, but I don't think he should be forced.

You may be right, but what about the substance of Jason LaCanfora's article and the points he makes?

wolfeskins · 11-20-2006, 07:35 PM

i dont know how much say he has when it comes to the players brought in or let go. i still feel he's a great defensive coach. i also feel gibbs is very loyal to him and would not ask him to leave, especially considering it was williams defense that gave the skins any chance at winning in 04 and it was williams defense that,for the most part, carried the team in 05. the defense is bad this year but they should be much better next season.

dall-assblows · 11-20-2006, 07:35 PM

i really truly believe that we are having an off year on defense, much like the ravens last year

dall-assblows · 11-20-2006, 07:36 PM

big mistake if you let him go

Oakland Red · 11-20-2006, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

i dont know how much say he has when it comes to the players brought in or let go. i still feel he's a great defensive coach. i also feel gibbs is very loyal to him and would not ask him to leave, especially considering it was williams defense that gave the skins any chance at winning in 04 and it was williams defense that,for the most part, carried the team in 05. the defense is bad this year but they should be much better next season.

The defense performed well the past couple of years, that is true. Will these players respond to Williams now and in the future? I doubt it personally. I think that the problems we have on offense are correctable, but I think that on the defensive side we need new management, as in Greg Blache, if we are going to make progress. I might be mistaken. But I know I would feel better if we had a fresh start with Blache.

Pocket$ $traight · 11-20-2006, 07:49 PM

This is the problem with society now, everyone wants a quick fix. To claim that G. Williams has completely lost his ability to put a top defense on the field is ridiculous. I am tired of people who say blow the team up and fire everybody. It is plain stupid. O.k. so we fire everybody and cut all of the overpriced free agents then what are we left with? An expansion team. Yeah, that is a great idea...

wolfeskins · 11-20-2006, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Oakland Red

The defense performed well the past couple of years, that is true. Will these players respond to Williams now and in the future? I doubt it personally. I think that the problems we have on offense are correctable, but I think that on the defensive side we need new management, as in Greg Blache, if we are going to make progress. I might be mistaken. But I know I would feel better if we had a fresh start with Blache.

well you are definately entitled to your own opinion but i have to respectfuly disagree. i don't see how 1 bad defensive season constitutes the fireing of one of the best d-cor. in the nfl.

i also feel that the players should be more upset with themselves than with greg williams. i don't think his schemes have changed as much as the performance of the players.

SKINSnCANES · 11-20-2006, 08:07 PM

I dont think the issue with our defense is the coaching. I think that Greg Williams, over the last three years, has brought more out of the defense then other coachs would. Our defense outperformed their expectations. We have NO defenseive line outside of c griff. We have no corner backs (springs is great but hasnt played this year). and mashall is adequte but not a star.

really we have washington, and taylor, and c griff. He tried to address our needs and carter and AA havent performed. if they did, hed look like a gneious, but they didnt.

We need get a dline, hell we need two dlines and rotate them like in philly. Lots of draft picks on defense.

Williams has proven that he can do it.

Though I do think Rocky should be playing

Jason72 · 11-20-2006, 08:14 PM

Williams is one of the top 5 defensive coaches in the league, while I am sure he has made some mistakes, it would be incredibly reactionary and stupid to get rid of him after one bad season.

The media loves to stir things up, and they don't mind stretching the truth and injecting their own opinions to do it.

mheisig · 11-20-2006, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Oakland Red

You may be right, but what about the substance of Jason LaCanfora's article and the points he makes?

It's a blog, not an article. Granted, internet news articles have declined greatly in quality, but blogs have virtually no credibility. Any dumbass can say anything and everything he wants with no strings attached.

Ironic, then, that I have a link to my blog in my sig, is it not?

skinsguy · 11-20-2006, 08:16 PM

I don't believe you fire Gregg Williams after this season. He's been nothing but successful since he came here in '04......this has just been an off year for everbody. I do believe we need better personel on the 'D' though.....

11-20-2006, 07:10 PM	#1
Oakland Red Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Oakland, Calif. Posts: 268	Gregg Williams has to go Redskins Insider Jason LaCanfora points out some of the serious mistakes that Gregg Williams has made in terms of personnel, and it seems that the defense is no longer playing hard under his leadership. I think that Joe Gibbs is going to ask Williams to leave after the season. There isn't any way we can go forward with him at the helm. The players don't seem to respond to him, he has made some very poor personnel decisions, his fairness is in question, and the field tactics he uses may no longer be adequate.

11-20-2006, 07:24 PM	#2
70Chip Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Manassas Age: 43 Posts: 3,048	Re: Gregg Williams has to go I think it would be a big mistake to let Coach Williams go. He may leave anyways, he could have other opprotunities, but I don't think he should be forced. __________________ This Monkey's Gone to Heaven

11-20-2006, 07:28 PM	#3
SkinsLove24/7 Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bowie, MD Age: 27 Posts: 423	Re: Gregg Williams has to go Wow. Talk about jumping the gun here. Think of the past two seasons under GW. The defense has been lights out. We were all so happy when we inked him for an extension in the offseason. If anyone made mistakes it was Snyder going out and attempting to upgrade the defense when it either wasn't needed and basically didn't work. The problem this season seems to be basically just a lack of skill on defense. I don't think this is GW's fault. Letting him go could be the worst move the team could make at this point.

11-20-2006, 07:29 PM	#4
SkinsLove24/7 Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bowie, MD Age: 27 Posts: 423	Re: Gregg Williams has to go LOL...I just can't get over this. I think your just trying to start rumors or something. Such BS.

11-20-2006, 07:35 PM	#6
wolfeskins The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: chesapeake,va. Posts: 2,160	Re: Gregg Williams has to go i dont know how much say he has when it comes to the players brought in or let go. i still feel he's a great defensive coach. i also feel gibbs is very loyal to him and would not ask him to leave, especially considering it was williams defense that gave the skins any chance at winning in 04 and it was williams defense that,for the most part, carried the team in 05. the defense is bad this year but they should be much better next season. __________________ Hail to Allen/Shanahan .... bring in some baby hogs and load up on diesel fuel !!! (budw38)

11-20-2006, 07:35 PM	#7
dall-assblows The Starter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: round the way Age: 31 Posts: 2,211	Re: Gregg Williams has to go i really truly believe that we are having an off year on defense, much like the ravens last year __________________ SOMEBODY PINCH ME

11-20-2006, 07:36 PM	#8
dall-assblows The Starter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: round the way Age: 31 Posts: 2,211	Re: Gregg Williams has to go big mistake if you let him go __________________ SOMEBODY PINCH ME

11-20-2006, 07:49 PM	#10
Pocket$ $traight Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Fairfax, VA Age: 38 Posts: 4,261	Re: Gregg Williams has to go This is the problem with society now, everyone wants a quick fix. To claim that G. Williams has completely lost his ability to put a top defense on the field is ridiculous. I am tired of people who say blow the team up and fire everybody. It is plain stupid. O.k. so we fire everybody and cut all of the overpriced free agents then what are we left with? An expansion team. Yeah, that is a great idea...

11-20-2006, 08:07 PM	#12
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 32 Posts: 5,411	Re: Gregg Williams has to go I dont think the issue with our defense is the coaching. I think that Greg Williams, over the last three years, has brought more out of the defense then other coachs would. Our defense outperformed their expectations. We have NO defenseive line outside of c griff. We have no corner backs (springs is great but hasnt played this year). and mashall is adequte but not a star. really we have washington, and taylor, and c griff. He tried to address our needs and carter and AA havent performed. if they did, hed look like a gneious, but they didnt. We need get a dline, hell we need two dlines and rotate them like in philly. Lots of draft picks on defense. Williams has proven that he can do it. Though I do think Rocky should be playing __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

11-20-2006, 08:14 PM	#13
Jason72 Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Age: 41 Posts: 114	Re: Gregg Williams has to go Williams is one of the top 5 defensive coaches in the league, while I am sure he has made some mistakes, it would be incredibly reactionary and stupid to get rid of him after one bad season. The media loves to stir things up, and they don't mind stretching the truth and injecting their own opinions to do it. __________________ A fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing his own opinions.

11-20-2006, 08:16 PM	#15
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,499	Re: Gregg Williams has to go I don't believe you fire Gregg Williams after this season. He's been nothing but successful since he came here in '04......this has just been an off year for everbody. I do believe we need better personel on the 'D' though..... __________________ Not the same Skinsguy that posts on ES.

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