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Old 11-21-2006, 01:52 PM   #31
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Re: JOE GIBBS needs to take control

What I really liked about last year's O was our protection packages. I remember hearing teams complain about how stacked our line was and how difficult it was to put pressure on Brunell.
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Old 11-21-2006, 01:55 PM   #32
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What I really liked about last year's O was our protection packages. I remember hearing teams complain about how stacked our line was and how difficult it was to put pressure on Brunell.
Right, so they just dropped back into coverage, and stopped Moss and Cooley, and game over.

I agree protection is good, but to an extent, it severely limited our offensive options.
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Old 11-21-2006, 01:59 PM   #33
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If the O doesn't control Time of Poss. The defense get wore down by the fourth quarter. That is the key to GIBBS FOOTBALL
c'mon dude gimme a break.

The defense can't stop anything right now. The offense would literally need to hold the ball the entire game.

The key to Gibbs football is pounding the rock AND stopping the run.
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Old 11-21-2006, 02:09 PM   #34
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there are a couple of things to look at. Gibbs offense was 11th, but did faulter when our 2nd option at WR went down with injury (patton) The reason we were able to win was the D. we played a style of gibbs offense which put the ball in Portis hands and let the Oline beat people up. Again, our D kept us alive in those games. 2ndly, Gibbs offense produced a very potent offense when he was here the first time. once having 3 1000 yard receivers. I do think if gibbs had kept control with the addtion of 1 or the 2 guys we picked up this year we would have been better this year. keeping the same scheme in tact would have been best.
bringing in Sauders : statistically, his offense is not that good in the first year. he generall is in the middle to bottom in the first year. Brunell didn't help that situation. What needs to be addressed is the fact the O-line is best equiped to run a Gibbs style offense. When they took over last year they attacked the defense, and ran smash mouth. that is what they are best at. if you keep changing offensive shcemes year to year we as fans can not expect it to be a finely tuned machine. Now if Saunders is still on board next year, we should see an increase in the ranking and overall productivety.

in short. I agree Gibbs should have never given control of HIS offense to anyone.
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Old 11-21-2006, 02:09 PM   #35
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c'mon dude gimme a break.

The defense can't stop anything right now. The offense would literally need to hold the ball the entire game.

The key to Gibbs football is pounding the rock AND stopping the run.
I agree.

Most people do not realize how awful our defense really is this year. If our D was halfway decent we would be in the hunt. Most Brunell haters still would be shocked, because I think Brunell would still be the starter if our D was performing well.

If you look at performance, Brunell hasnt been much worst than McNair or Plummer, but both those guys are starters. It is because they have the D to back them up.

Our defense not only gives up big plays, it does not create turnovers. I have compared our D to the Cincy D last year. Cincy gave up big plays, but they came up with alot of turnovers. The Skins would be successful if that coud happen.

If we get turnovers, then we have more chances to score, and less chances for the opponent. Simple as that.

Dont get me wrong, I don think Saunders has been amazing. I wouldnt even say he has been really good, he has been ok. I am a bit disappointed, because I had hoped the offense had clicked earlier, but I still think the offense would be better if the D helped em out a bit.

Saunders has gone away from the run a bit, and our lineman arent doing what he wants. I am positive he will adjust to that next game.

Again I feel people are looking for blame where there isnt any. Defense is the major problem this year.
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Old 11-21-2006, 02:10 PM   #36
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Re: JOE GIBBS needs to take control

Sure there is room for offensive improvement but the Redskins offense is as good if not better than last year...the problem here is DEFENSE! If you put this years defense on last years team that would be a 3-7 team as well. They are not playing good enough defense to win any football games right now.
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Old 11-21-2006, 02:11 PM   #37
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Last year Gibbs had the skins on track. Listening to the media talk about his offense he made a change. MISTAKE Drop the new playbook in the trash and dust his off. Call 100% of the play from his play book. RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN you've got Betts, Duckett, and Rock give them the ball please. Why are we run on 1st down and throwing on 2nd and 3rd. If its not broken don't fix it. GIBBS is a HOF coach he needs to do what he knows works 3 RINGS
Did you look at the offese at all the last half of the season???????????? Did you see the 41 yards passing against TB? Did you see how many consecutive 3 and outs we had against Seattle in the playoffs? Did you see the games against Philly and Ariz during the last few weeks of the season when we needed the defense to score and bail us out? I'm so tired of everyone crying about running more. Yes we do need to run more but let's not get carried away. We need a little more balance but that is hard when the other team has the frickin ball more than you do. Bottom line is our offense was too predictable last year. That's why AS was brought in here. This guy knows how to coach a modern NFL offense. Personally I hope Gibbs does not call the plays becasue he was horrible at it. WAY TO CONSERVATIVE. We would get ahead and then run and not pass and lose. Remember Oakland and San Diego last year? Horrible conservative play calling lost those games. The main problem with this team is along the offensive and defensive lines. That's were it all starts.
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Old 11-21-2006, 02:58 PM   #38
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Re: JOE GIBBS needs to take control

Wherever Al goes, the defense sucks, maybe he puts something in the defenders' water to keep the focus off his offense.
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Old 11-21-2006, 03:01 PM   #39
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Gibbs' offense last year was very good in some respects, but it was missing an intermediate to vertical passing game (which Gibbs himself said we were missing). Maybe Gibbs would have been able to establish a better passing O with Campbell, ARE, and Lloyd.
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Old 11-21-2006, 03:04 PM   #40
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It's true, our D is even worse than it seems. They clamp down sometimes in the redzone,which keeps the points given up total from becoming embaressing, however, by the time they do that, they have given up an endless number of first downs and 10 minutes of possession time (KILLER). And the timing of these points and yards given up is even more killer, right after we score, we have given up points every F^%(*&^in time, so demoralizing to the offense. We had them pinned on the 2 with a lead, what happened next.........85 yard, 10 minute drive. The offense from last year would have been shutout half of the games with that type of defensive performance. Running the ball with a small back....portis into a 10 man stacked box is not my idea of ball possession.
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Old 11-21-2006, 04:12 PM   #41
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Wherever Al goes, the defense sucks, maybe he puts something in the defenders' water to keep the focus off his offense.
I think it's because his offense isn't designed for grind it out, control the clock football necessarily.

I think the overall point of bringing in Saunders, drafting Campbell, drafting Rocky was for the long term. I think Gibbs felt under his watch as head coach they would be at least a perennial playoff team and then the young guns could take that next step when he stepped down as head coach. Instead of the team crashing and burning like the last time he left.
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Old 11-21-2006, 05:47 PM   #42
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Re: JOE GIBBS needs to take control

Even Todd Collins told Brunell that the Saunders offense would take a whole year to master. I say stick with it. Saunders teams have put up boatloads of points after the initial growing pains. Next year may be a rebuilding year anyway, at least on the defensive side of the ball, so let's not introduce further instability by turning away from an offense that has proven effective as recently as last season in KC.
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Old 11-21-2006, 08:37 PM   #43
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Al Saunders is going to be here for a while. The offense was productive with Campbell behind center, so I really don't think that the offense needs any work. Some things take time, have patience, the offense is going to be real good at the end of this season and all of next season.

Gibbs is trying to make a team that runs itself, where he can retire and the Redskins organization can still win (NO I AM NOT SAYING GIBBS IS LEAVING AFTER THIS SEASON). Time my friends, all good things take time.
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Old 11-21-2006, 09:41 PM   #44
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we need to only pick up clements in f.a i really dont think our secondary would be as bad if preilou were not on ir. we will pick up some d-lineman in the draft to give us a pass rush and we will be fine
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Old 11-21-2006, 10:09 PM   #45
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GIBBS is the head coach and Al is not. Look at the Ravens situation

We don't have a defense that can play anywhere near the level of the Ravens.

When the Ravens D is good they are good. It doesn't matter whether Billick is calling plays or not. Also, they had a good record when he made that move.
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