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Old 11-27-2006, 10:53 AM   #16
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Re: The end of the world must be near: King voting for Monk for the Hall

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If he does get in I'm going to seriously consider taking that trip too.
I think a lot of people around here would be right there with you, myself included.
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Re: The end of the world must be near: King voting for Monk for the Hall

This is great news and all, but it just makes PK an even bigger douche (if such a thing were possible). So, all of a sudden PK is going to be objective when he votes? F you PK -- you don't deserve to vote.
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Old 11-27-2006, 11:05 AM   #18
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Re: The end of the world must be near: King voting for Monk for the Hall

It sounds like Len Shapiro did some heavy lifting on this. He deserves a lot of credit.
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All along King has said that he would keep an open mind about Monk, let's at least give him credit for that. He's come through on his word.

Carson getting in was clearly the catalyst for this change of heart.
Actually Matty, he was dead set against Monk for years until Shapiro called him on his BS after Carson got in. It was only this summer when he said he would have an open mind and ask around the league on his training camp tours for other opinons on Monk. A lot of credit goes to Shapiro and I'll give King credit for truly having an open mind and admitting he was wrong.. Now his other claim of 'having no more pull than anyone else in the room' should be refuted if Monk gets in this year after King publicly announced his support.
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Re: The end of the world must be near: King voting for Monk for the Hall

My bad on the dupe thread. I got so excited when I read it I nearly messed my pants. I think it's a real good sign - I think Dr. Z will likely follow suit. This could be Monk's year.
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Fuck Dr.Z and King. I hate both of those douchers.
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Actually Matty, he was dead set against Monk for years until Shapiro called him on his BS after Carson got in. It was only this summer when he said he would have an open mind and ask around the league on his training camp tours for other opinons on Monk. A lot of credit goes to Shapiro and I'll give King credit for truly having an open mind and admitting he was wrong.. Now his other claim of 'having no more pull than anyone else in the room' should be refuted if Monk gets in this year after King publicly announced his support.
At least he was open to changing his mind, I doubt we would ever hear Dr. Z come out with an admission like this.
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Old 11-27-2006, 11:37 AM   #23
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My only problem with the article is that he compares Monk to Yaz. Yaz was not a borderline HoFer, Monk is.
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Re: The end of the world must be near: King voting for Monk for the Hall

I am just glad he is going to be voted in ...finally! Thru it all, you've never heard one comment or negativity from Monk himself...kinda like when he played. It is time to reward CLASS.
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I am just glad he is going to be voted in ...finally! Thru it all, you've never heard one comment or negativity from Monk himself...kinda like when he played. It is time to reward CLASS.
Well we still don't know he is going in. Hopefully he will.
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Well we still don't know he is going in. Hopefully he will.
As someone said earlier - PK and Dr.Z have more pull as independents than the locals. They can continually deny it but that's just BS. You win over the independents, especially the well publicized ones, and it's game over. Yes, PK is just one vote but it is one loud, well-known vote. For him to publicly change his mind is going to sway every local reporter who is a borderline Monk voter.

Watch, as the process rolls on, you are going to hear more and more calls for Monk to get in from the media (Hell, last year, ESPN's Mike & Mike were saying it was a travesty that he wasn't in). PK's change of mind will be covered and referenced by all the mindless talking heads who merely repeat what others media members have said (Sean Salisbury, I'm talking to you).

Historically, there have been two obstacles to Monk getting in - PK and Dr. Z. Now, one of them has practically thrown himself at the mercy of the court and said "mea culpa". Dr. Z will never come around 'cause he is a 49'ers homer who refuses to credit Monk's selflessness, BUT - because PK has made such a public proclamation, that will be repeated and "covered" by the national talking heads - Dr. Z's intransagience is just going to look bitter and pathetic.

People will start questioning Dr. Z's reasoning (finally): Okay, even accepting your argument that he made a living of 8 yard hitches, he did it for 16 years and nobody stopped him. If he was so predictable and bland, why couldn't anyone stop him? How many of those hitches were for first downs? What about the intangibles - haven't you advocated more than one player (including a couple of 49'ers) that didn't have great stats? After talking to players and coaches, PK seems to think Monk contributed a lot more than just catches on the field - Have you talked to players and coaches to see whether they think he is a HOF'er?

It's a done deal folks. Book the passage to Canton now and beat the rush. In fact, I am betting this becomes one of the "feel good" stories of the 2007 season.

Yes - I wish PK had figured all this out before waiting this long, but I'll credit the man for saying (earlier this season) that he would reevaluate his position and then doing just that. Shapiro may have been the catalyst but w/o PK making this change, Monk in the Hall would not happen.
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As someone said earlier - PK and Dr.Z have more pull as independents than the locals. They can continually deny it but that's just BS. You win over the independents, especially the well publicized ones, and it's game over. Yes, PK is just one vote but it is one loud, well-known vote. For him to publicly change his mind is going to sway every local reporter who is a borderline Monk voter.

Watch, as the process rolls on, you are going to hear more and more calls for Monk to get in from the media (Hell, last year, ESPN's Mike & Mike were saying it was a travesty that he wasn't in). PK's change of mind will be covered and referenced by all the mindless talking heads who merely repeat what others media members have said (Sean Salisbury, I'm talking to you).

Historically, there have been two obstacles to Monk getting in - PK and Dr. Z. Now, one of them has practically thrown himself at the mercy of the court and said "mea culpa". Dr. Z will never come around 'cause he is a 49'ers homer who refuses to credit Monk's selflessness, BUT - because PK has made such a public proclamation, that will be repeated and "covered" by the national talking heads - Dr. Z's intransagience is just going to look bitter and pathetic.

People will start questioning Dr. Z's reasoning (finally): Okay, even accepting your argument that he made a living of 8 yard hitches, he did it for 16 years and nobody stopped him. If he was so predictable and bland, why couldn't anyone stop him? How many of those hitches were for first downs? What about the intangibles - haven't you advocated more than one player (including a couple of 49'ers) that didn't have great stats? After talking to players and coaches, PK seems to think Monk contributed a lot more than just catches on the field - Have you talked to players and coaches to see whether they think he is a HOF'er?

It's a done deal folks. Book the passage to Canton now and beat the rush. In fact, I am betting this becomes one of the "feel good" stories of the 2007 season.

Yes - I wish PK had figured all this out before waiting this long, but I'll credit the man for saying (earlier this season) that he would reevaluate his position and then doing just that. Shapiro may have been the catalyst but w/o PK making this change, Monk in the Hall would not happen.
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As someone said earlier - PK and Dr.Z have more pull as independents than the locals. They can continually deny it but that's just BS. You win over the independents, especially the well publicized ones, and it's game over. Yes, PK is just one vote but it is one loud, well-known vote. For him to publicly change his mind is going to sway every local reporter who is a borderline Monk voter.

Watch, as the process rolls on, you are going to hear more and more calls for Monk to get in from the media (Hell, last year, ESPN's Mike & Mike were saying it was a travesty that he wasn't in). PK's change of mind will be covered and referenced by all the mindless talking heads who merely repeat what others media members have said (Sean Salisbury, I'm talking to you).

Historically, there have been two obstacles to Monk getting in - PK and Dr. Z. Now, one of them has practically thrown himself at the mercy of the court and said "mea culpa". Dr. Z will never come around 'cause he is a 49'ers homer who refuses to credit Monk's selflessness, BUT - because PK has made such a public proclamation, that will be repeated and "covered" by the national talking heads - Dr. Z's intransagience is just going to look bitter and pathetic.

People will start questioning Dr. Z's reasoning (finally): Okay, even accepting your argument that he made a living of 8 yard hitches, he did it for 16 years and nobody stopped him. If he was so predictable and bland, why couldn't anyone stop him? How many of those hitches were for first downs? What about the intangibles - haven't you advocated more than one player (including a couple of 49'ers) that didn't have great stats? After talking to players and coaches, PK seems to think Monk contributed a lot more than just catches on the field - Have you talked to players and coaches to see whether they think he is a HOF'er?

It's a done deal folks. Book the passage to Canton now and beat the rush. In fact, I am betting this becomes one of the "feel good" stories of the 2007 season.

Yes - I wish PK had figured all this out before waiting this long, but I'll credit the man for saying (earlier this season) that he would reevaluate his position and then doing just that. Shapiro may have been the catalyst but w/o PK making this change, Monk in the Hall would not happen.
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